California secessionists think their path to independence is easier than Catalonia’s

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From the Sacramento Bee:

The world has been watching the play-by-play of Catalonia’s bid for independence from Spain, but one group is tuning in more closely than most: California secessionists.

The California Freedom Coalition, the campaign that has taken the lead in the effort to break California off from the United States, sees similarities with Catalonia’s secessionist movement. But there’s an important caveat: they believe California has more legal tools at its disposal, creating an easier path to secession – if that’s what Californians decide they want.

“There are definitely similarities in the fiscal situation – we both give more than we get back,” said Dave Marin, director of research and policy for the California Freedom Coalition. “But there’s more flexibility in the U.S. Constitution for secession than there is in the Spanish one. California has more tools available to it.”

The Catalan Parliament, together with President of Catalonia Carles Puigdemont, approved in September a binding referendum to make Catalonia an “independent and sovereign state.” Spain’s constitutional court suspended the process, but Catalan authorities continued with the vote on Oct. 1, prompting violence between voters and Spanish security forces tasked with shutting it down.

After a majority who voted in the referendum cast ballots for independence, Puigdemont issued a symbolic declaration of independence from Spain on Tuesday, but immediately suspended it to ease negotiations with the Madrid government. Spanish Prime Minister Mariano Rajoy said Wednesday that the Catalan government had eight days to drop the bid or he would suspend Catalonia’s political autonomy and rule the region directly.

Catalonia has approached secession in the best way it could, Marin said. If secession is what Californians want, he says their path to independence will be easier thanks to the 10th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, which says any powers not explicitly given to the federal government are retained by the states. The states cannot unilaterally declare independence, but Marin argues that the Constitution provides the federal government and the states a sanctioned path toward that negotiation.

The California Freedom Coalition is collecting signatures to get its ballot initiative in front of voters in 2018. It does not definitively say California will declare independence from the United States; it would repeal a provision in the state constitution that says California is “an inseparable part of the United States.” It also directs the governor to negotiate for greater autonomy from the federal government and establishes an advisory commission on California autonomy and independence.

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Marin said he knows California secession would still be incredibly difficult without the cooperation of the federal government, but believes California could “annoy” Congress into allowing California to go its own way.

“Our state government is very experienced at doing things that undermine the federal government without being unconstitutional,” Marin said, citing California’s sanctuary cities as an example.

Besides that, Marin sees a lot of similarities between the motivations of the secession movements. Both California and Catalonia have large economies that can compete on a global scale that secessionists feel could operate better if untethered from the national economy. Differences in ideology, disputes overspending of tax dollars by the federal government and a desire for more localized government control are also common threads, Marin said.

Catalonia was an independent region for years, retaining its own laws and languages, before incorporating into Spain officially in 1715 after the War of Spanish Succession. The region has retained a degree of autonomy on and off for decades, and calls for complete independence have gradually grown over the years. California, however, declared its independence from Mexico in 1846 and was considered an independent nation for less than a year before being declared a U.S. territory after the Mexican-American War. Calls for California’s independence pre-date Donald Trump’s presidency, but his election magnified the movement considerably.

Californians were asked about their thoughts on secession in 2014, with 20 percent seeing it favorably. After Trump’s election, a Reuters poll found 32 percent now saw it favorably.

“We’re not strictly saying secession right now,” Marin said. “But if that number gets into the high 40s or 50s, it makes sense to consider. And then we have a few more tools to pursue it than Catalonia.”


Go ahead, secede.  Take the illegals, the Hollywood retards, and all their California stupid ideas with them.  I’m tired of their shit.  We can’t even purchase a simple gas can anymore.  Keep your eco-tard and tree-humper ideas too.  Good riddance.  AMF!

If the secessionists are successful, then I predict a mass migration of the remaining conservatives from California which will hasten the State’s bankruptcy.  It is well on the way already.  California was once a vibrant economy and the Left ruined it with their idiocy.

Lastly, the Wall needs to be extended from Mexico along the border between Arizona, Nevada, and Oregon to the Pacific Ocean.  No door either.

~ Hardnox

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12 Responses to California secessionists think their path to independence is easier than Catalonia’s

  1. tiretramp says:

    DUH, just what was the civil war about. Time for another?

    • Hardnox says:

      Nah, let them go. Not worth it.

      The Civil War was actually about the South paying heavy tariffs to the North and thus the war. California is a cash vacuum.

  2. ToNY says:

    On that note why should the rest of America pay a penny for the current fire damage. Piss on it and Calif.

  3. Uriel says:

    “Our state government is very experienced at doing things that undermine the federal government without being unconstitutional,” Marin said, citing California’s sanctuary cities as an example.”

    ummm Marin didn’t lie there. Maybe its the sound waves emitted by the fault zones, or the odorless gases seeping out of underground gases but these people have a far different slant on life than middle America for sure. My heart goes out to those who have lost homes and family members from the fires but as my son recently reminded me—people there like people across the nation have all had natural disasters to bear. In places like mid-America we still control burn to prevent massive fires, we take precautions to provide safe shelters in case of storms and tornadoes, we have learned along the coast to pay attention and leave before hurricanes hit (lives vs things). Why hasn’t California? because they have wonky laws and environmentalists have been allowed to rule. Where are the high sierra controlled small lake reservoirs that capture rain and when needed can be released downward? Where are the fire lanes maintained around large populated areas so that at least a barrier is available? We have them here in the middle areas. Where are the conservatives that say enough is enough…..remove the communist governor and all his comrades from office and let’s get back to living? Oh I forgot, they MOVED OUT OF STATE and took their businesses with them…not that I blame them one bit.

    • Hardnox says:

      Great comment.

      The idiocy is Cali is beyond comprehension. Constant face-palm moments.

      The fires are horrible and I feel bad for those affected yet much of this is on their own since they have refused to consider common sense. I am reminded of the fires some years back… prior to that, a man had cleared all the dead brush from his property. The locals fined him many thousands which he was fighting in court. Meanwhile, the fires broke out. In the aftermath, his home was the only one left standing. Nuff said.

      Ditto with emptying reservoirs to keep minnows (Delta Smelt) alive and destroying the agriculture industry and 250,000 jobs.

      It’s hard to fix stupid.

  4. Popular Front says:

    “And then we have a few more tools to pursue it than Catalonia” Aint that the truth and most of them are in Sacramento.

  5. 219rad says:

    Do they get to come back if it doesn’t work out for them?

    • Hardnox says:

      Not if we have anything to say about it. We all know that if this should occur, within a year or two they would be begging for statehood.

  6. vonMesser says:

    He claims they “give more than they get”. What a crock. When I was in San Diego a bunch of years back SD County and city claimed that the Navy did not do anything for them.

    Navy response was to pull every ship out and move them to Long Beach.

    Within a month there was almost 20% unemployment. Many small businesses went under (and never came back after then Navy returned).

    The Navy and Marines should move out of California completely AND DESTROY THEIR FACILITIES, not turn them over to California. Let California keep the NGuard bases and facilities, but destroy all other military facilities. Ditto for any federal buildings. Demo them into their basements.