January 15, 2017 French Summit on Palestine and Israel – Kerry and Obama’s Next Volley?

Haaretz Story 12/25/2016 (tap here)

 

Will this be Obama’s last “FU” to Trump and Netanyahu?

On December 25, 2016 in Haaretz, Netanyahu warned that additional international measures on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict were possible before U.S. President Barack Obama steps down on January 20.

“The issue is still hot and this is not the end of it,” Netanyahu told the ministers before the weekly cabinet meeting, referring to Friday’s UN Security Council resolution censuring the Israeli settlements.

Netanyahu has claimed openly since that horrific Obama/Kerry debacle that according to information that reached Israel, there was no doubt that the Obama administration was behind the resolution, coordinated its wording and made sure it passed. He said it completely contradicted traditional U.S. policy against forcing conditions on Israel via the Security Council and explicit commitment from Obama in 2011 to that effect.

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“OBJECTING TO UNITED NATIONS SECURITY COUNCIL RESOLUTION 2334”

House Resolution 11    (Draft excerpts read in entirety HERE)

January 5, 2017 (five-day response for revisions)

...Whereas on November 29, 2016, the House of Representatives unanimously passed House Concurrent Resolution 165, expressing the sense of Congress and reaffirming longstanding
United States policy in support of a direct bilaterally negotiated settlement of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and opposition to United Nations Security Council resolutions imposing a solution to the conflict
...Whereas on December 23, 2016, the United States Permanent Representative to the United Nations disregarded House Concurrent Resolution 165 and departed from longstanding United States policy by abstaining and permitting United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 to be adopted under Chapter VI of the United Nations Charter;
Whereas the United States’ abstention on United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 contradicts the Oslo Accords and its associated process that is predicated on resolving the Israeli-Palestinian conflict between the parties through direct negotiations;
...Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 claims that “the establishment by Israel of settlements in the Palestinian territory occupied since 1967, including East Jerusalem, has no legal validity and constitutes a flagrant violation under international law and a major obstacle to the achievement of the two-State solution and a just, lasting and comprehensive peace”;
...Whereas passage of United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 effectively lends legitimacy to efforts by the Palestinian Authority to impose its own solution through international organizations and through unjustified boycotts or divestment campaigns against Israel by calling “upon all States, bearing in mind paragraph 1 of this resolution, to distinguish, in their relevant dealings, between the territory of the State of Israel and the territories occupied since 1967”, and will require the United States and Israel to take effective action to counteract the potential harmful impact of United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334;
...Whereas UNSCR 2334 did not directly call upon Palestinian leadership to fulfill their obligations toward negotiations or mention that part of the eventual Palestinian state is currently controlled by Hamas, a designated terrorist organization; and
Whereas United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 both sought to impose or unduly influence solutions to final status issues, and is biased against Israel:

Now, therefore, be it Resolved, That —
(1) it is the sense of the House of Representatives that–
(A) the passage of United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 undermined the long-standing position of the United States to oppose and veto United Nations Security Council resolutions that seek to impose solutions to final status issues, or are one-sided and anti-Israel, reversing decades of bipartisan agreement;
(B) the passage of United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 undermines the prospect of Israelis and Palestinians resuming productive, direct negotiations;
(C) the passage of United Nations Security Council Resolution 2334 contributes to the politically motivated acts of boycott, divestment from, and sanctions against Israel and represents a concerted effort to extract concessions from Israel outside of direct negotiations between the Israelis and Palestinians, which must be actively rejected;…

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What’s in store at Paris peace conference?

Al-Monitor
Rina Bassist
Jan. 3, 2017

…The prime minister’s office declined the invitation even before Paris confirmed the date, reiterating that Israel will only engage in direct negotiations with the Palestinians.

According to the French plan, a double-track approach made perfect sense, because the aim of the conference is to prepare a benefits package, which can be assembled without the two opposing sides being present. The idea behind the package is to entice the Israelis and Palestinians into eventually reopening negotiations.

Many Israelis agree with Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu in his refusal to take part in the conference, but what exactly is the conference expected to produce? A declaration? A working plan? The basis for another Security Council resolution? It seems that much has been written about Netanyahu’s rejection, but little about the actual conference.

To clarify, Netanyahu did not turn down an invitation to the conference per se, but declined an invitation to meet in Paris with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas immediately after the gathering. The French had hoped that a double-track approach — first a conference and then a separate meeting between the Israelis and Palestinians to present them with the conference recommendations in a discrete setting and away from cameras — might convince the Israeli premier to participate. Alas, it did not work.

(Speculation is)…recommendations to the January conference will focus on communication from two different angles: better communicating to the two sides what the two-state solution means, including what life will be like absent such a solution, and connecting Israelis and Palestinians by proposing channels for dialogue.

Israeli diplomats who recently spoke to Al-Monitor are skeptical about the various incentives, claiming that most of the proposals resemble projects that are already in progress or are ideas that have been floated in the past.

Read the complete article HERE.

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Was this meeting set up as an end run before Trump takes office?  

I believe so.  The UN and those who set up this meeting absolutely knew that President Trump’s inauguration has been posted as January 20th. They could not have missed the significance.  Considering the firestorm created  here and the direct disregard of Obama and Kerry of congressional mandates, this meeting has no business being held until later.

Considering the harm already done by Kerry and Obama on this, Congress needs to make clear that they will NOT be speaking for our country at this meeting.  The summit should be held up until after Trump is sworn in and the new ambassador as well as the new Secretary of State have been confirmed and brought up to speed. Perhaps a new perspective from someone NOT pro-muslim would be better able to resolve this issue.

Like the report mentioned, we already have solid evidence that Israel has tried on numerous occasions to respond to the UN requests.  Hamas and the PLO are actively working not for so much a Palestinian country as for the annihilation of Israel and the completion of an Islamic state encompassing many Muslim held countries as their manifesto and leaders have stated many times. We also know that the PLO has flatly refused to accept their offers even going so far as to destroy everything those in Israel left behind in the last efforts.

I can understand why Netanyahu only wants to talk directly to the main group speaking for the Palestinian people. (Although at this point, I can’t figure out just who that is. So many names yet no governing entity specifically.)

Frankly the way I see it, the UN has done as much harm in the region as that done by the US in the last twenty years and more specifically the last eight years.

It is time for a change in how the UN is handled!

–Uriel–

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16 Responses to January 15, 2017 French Summit on Palestine and Israel – Kerry and Obama’s Next Volley?

  1. deacsdomain says:

    It seems that , in a somewhat distant story in THE BIBLE:
    Two mothers claim the baby, a solution is offered – cut the baby in half and give each one half.
    The real mother offers the whole baby to the fake mother to save the baby’s life.
    She is then given the baby.
    another old adage is “don’t throw the baby out with the bath water.
    Maybe a little stretch but has a similar sound to it.
    Even yet, I have heard Rev Franklin Grahm say that the election of TRUMP is a GOD thing.

    • Uriel says:

      I thought about those as well. The difference in a good leader and a better leader is being willing to stand firm but listen as well to truth and reason.

  2. Hardnox says:

    This last minute rush is all for nothing. It’s kabuki theater for the lemmings.

  3. david ward says:

    The European race better known as the white man who originated in Europe as many tribes and call themselves Jews who are really converts by changing themselves through their religious faith or beliefs. These Europeans claim to be from the royal tribe of Judah, thus, calling themselves Jews based on their false man-made ideology, Judaism. These pagan converts use the heritage of Israel to defend their right to our heritage. There is no biblical fact that proves that the sons of Japheth, father of the gentiles, are the original children of Israel. According to Gen. 14:13, Abraham was a Hebrew not a Jew. Jews are fake, they are not the original children of Israel and they will not inherit our land or the covenant between YAH, God of Israel and His chosen, their shame will come soon for attempting to steal our identity when YAH raises up King David, the true Messiah of Israel, a man of color. David will remove all the so-called Jews, Muslims, Christians, from the Holy Land when YAH raises Him up from Zion. So, to all you Jews etc. who dwell in our land Israel, Enjoy your time now! Because David is soon to return Ps. 2:10-12, kiss the Son fear that he be angry and you perish in the way gentile Jews.

    • Uriel says:

      David this is not a theological discussion forum. While you may have points to make on the topic, generally we are political only mentioning something of a religious nature as it affects US politics.

  4. Hulio says:

    Give half to Canaanites and the other half to the Judeans. Just say’n.

    • Uriel says:

      That is what started out Julio but by right of war, Israel took all of the area. Which is why Kerry demands going back before the war to claims even though for a very very long time conquering lands has been recognized.

      • Uriel says:

        The original UN had the city of Jerusalem as a UN hold. If these people in the area really continue to argue then why Not cordon off the city as NO man’s land under UN (or another country’s domain and stop the whole argument allowing commerce and religious practices for all but not allowing ownership by either.

  5. Blessed B says:

    What most have missed is that there already has been a discussion between Israel and Palestine about two years ago (?). The cease fire has been on going since then and actually…Israel and Palestine are now working together for the benefit of both. America was not allowed to be at this meeting in Egypt. Both sides realized they could work together much better without being told BS.

    The attacks that the media loves to publish, are being done by ISIS. Not Palestinians, not Hamas, not Hezbollah….. ISIS!

    Uncle Netty is doing the right thing…..talk one on one with Palestine. Don’t allow anyone else to interfere and to tell lies about the other side to cause conflict between the two! It’s worked so far! Both are seeing the benefits!

    • Uriel says:

      Huh? Israeli and Muslim news says different to an extent. I trust them more to report than US or UN.

      • Uriel says:

        Israel tried to live by agreements and gave back Golan with improvements but were fired upon and the properties destroyed out of spite. I do believe most of inner Jerusalem has worked on the problem but this all was Before ISIS.

      • Blessed B. says:

        The Peace talks held in Egypt with Israel and Palestine was in the summer of 2014. It was after the big skirmish between the two. This was most definitely during the time of ISIS. ISIS members have been doing most of the crap in both Israel and Palestine to cause chaos and get the two fighting again. Remember who started ISIS and who trained and armed them and who is paying them to be mercenaries…… Saudi Arabia and the USA. Both Palestine and Israel came to an understanding and a cease fire has been in effect since then. They both know that the USA and others tell lies to both sides to keep this fight on-going resulting in only Palestinian and Israeli deaths.

        Saudi’s want Israel to be wiped off the map….which is why Palestine was set up in the first place. Palestine was the Saudi’s dumping ground ( refugee camp) for their unwanted criminals that they released.

        The Saudi’s are the reason for the Arab Spring. They wanted Egypt, Libya and Syria to make war with Israel once again. Each one of those countries leaders said NO…been there dun that and had our butts wiped by the IDF. Not doing that again! You want war with Israel, put your own men’s lives on the ground. Hence forth…..the murder, mayhem and chaos in those countries…..with the help of the USA and other ‘useful idiots’.

        The USA…..has been doing the bidding of the Saudi’s for quite sometime and Obama was just the last player in this game.

        One has to remember that not all news coming out of Israel or Muslim news is the truth….just like in the US, they also have those media that have an agenda that they are pushing. Anything one reads from any media must have a few grains of salt added.

        I don’t get most of my information from the media but from an Intelligence source who is in contact with other Intelligence agencies in a few countries.

  6. Uriel says:

    Thanks for explaining BlessedB both the issue and why you take this view. I admit much of what I have gleaned is both documentary and articles. I have no source close to guide. Both my sources are obviously semi biased if not fully but what I have seen is Israeli comments concerning Palestinian not a particular radical group though usually the one most mentioned is Hamas.

    • Blessed B. says:

      The comments from Israeli’s is understandable as this is just a new concept for them. They really have never known Peace with Palestine or the other muslim countries around them. They also are caught in that dilemma of having their media not aware of what really has been happening….

      If the agreement made in Egypt two years ago wasn’t working well, we would have seen the IDF and Palestine still going at each others throats. Uncle Netty would not have said that Israel will only engage in direct negotiations with the Palestinians. He knows that they can come to an understanding and a mutually beneficial agreement.

  7. Uriel says:

    I absolutely believe this is an argument best settled between Israel and the Palestinian Muslims though. NO ONE else should be inserting themselves or asserting themselves. The key concept here though is that All Muslims believe they have the right to be involved that I think speaks to the political state of Islam.