VA Helps FBI Take Guns From Veterans

The Daily Caller:


Documents and interviews with American veterans reveal a shocking government program: The VA is disarming veterans by getting them placed on the FBI’s criminal background-check list. The VA sends veterans’ medical and financial information directly to the FBI and the ATF, which can seize their guns in home raids.

Veterans deemed mentally incompetent or financially incapable are finally speaking out about the errors in the system and the fearful harassment they and their families face from the federal government. And it all starts when vets go to the VA for medical help.

Combat soldier on patrol

Ironic that we train them for this, but can’t trust them with guns at home.

VA medical information is used to block veterans from possessing firearms:

A memorandum titled ‘Understanding Between the US Department of Veteran Affairs and the Federal Bureau of Investigation Regarding the National Instant Criminal Background Check System states:

“VA will provide an encrypted compact disc exchanged via mail to the FBI no less than quarterly for inclusion in the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS),” the memo reads. It defines the NICS database as a list of “persons prohibited under federal law from receiving or possessing firearms. The data is then entered into the NICS Index.”

Changing your method of banking can get you put on the list:

“A VA counselor, Dr. Blair asks, ‘How are you handling your finances?’,” veteran Henry Wrobel of Canton, TX said. “I said my wife suggested, to make it a little bit easier for me, use the auto-debit instead of going to the post office because it’s hard for me to drive” with injuries including two “made-up thumbs” resulting from 12 hand surgeries, a wired-on shoulder, and other ailments.

“I told him it’s working very well,” Wrobel said. He “wrote down that I was unable to handle my own finances and that ‘his wife handles his finances.’ I got a letter saying that because I can’t handle my finances I’m like a felon and I can’t be around guns.”

“My constitutional rights, my dignity, means nothing to the counselor,” Wrobel said. “I have no crimes whatsoever against me, and now I’m stripped of my constitutional rights as though I’m a felon.”

Wrobel blamed America’s “anti-gun president” for trying to “break the spirit of America” by taking away veterans’ guns.

ATF agents will come to your house to disarm you:

atf raid courtesy“I was getting real sick from the medications they had me on,” Colorado war veteran Douglas Szklarski said. “I pretty much lived in bed. Somebody brought me a joint. I started using cannabis. It started turning me around immediately. So I said I wouldn’t take the VA pills anymore. They said you have to take them. They deemed me incompetent.”

“I’ve had nine doctors say I wasn’t incompetent and they still went after my guns. ATF came to my house. I had to surrender them,” Szklarski said, noting that he appealed the VA’s decision. “I just got my guns back.”

Szklarski said that the VA erroneously labeled him an alcoholic and threatened him with arrest when he said he planned to protest their decision publicly.

“They tried to do everything they could to break me and they’re pissed that they didn’t. It’s not even humane. You want to talk about discrimination, become a vet.”

Veterans across the country are at risk:

Michael Connelly, executive director of the US Justice Foundation said. “There is no adjudication process for the veterans and it is clear that the FBI and the VA are equating late bill paying with mental illness. There is a total lack of due process here, and it is never mentioned in the memo. The burden of proof is on the veterans and even if they succeed in getting the incompetency ruling reversed the VA isn’t informing the DOJ so the veterans stay on the NICS list. Some veterans say that they send the info to the FBI that still refuses to move them from the list.”

The VA refuses to admit fault.

“The Department of Veterans Affairs’ policy to inform veterans of their rights regarding the Brady Act has not changed,” VA stated. “As has been policy for multiple administrations, VA acts in accordance with federal law and works with the Department of Justice to properly maintain the NICS database. VA notifies any veteran who may be deemed by VA to be mentally incapable of managing his or her own funds of the opportunity to contest this determination and also to seek relief from the reporting requirements under the Brady Act, as required by law.”


king-obamaA tyrant must remove weapons from it’s subjects and demoralize them in order to reign. This is no doubt an extension of O’s efforts to show as much disdain for our military as possible, but it’s not really shocking considering this admin’s extraordinary push to take guns away from Americans. The FBI is using the VA to single out veterans because their information is more readily available than that of civilians, at least for now.

Until the VA methods are cleaned up and personnel is replaced, our vets need to learn to say as little as possible. Don’t volunteer information about changes in banking habits or any other facet of their lives – instead, just say everything is fine and no, I don’t have any guns. If they give you pills you don’t want, flush them; if they write you a prescription you don’t want, trash it.

The VA says they are conforming to law by helping the DoJ maintain the NICS database, and that may be true. They just left out the part where they alter the vets’ records beforehand.

The problems at the VA have been in headlines for months and it’s no better now than it ever was. It’s despicable that the chain of command has changed several times and treatment of our vets is still horrible.


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9 Responses to VA Helps FBI Take Guns From Veterans

  1. Buck says:

    …They came for the Jews. I did nothing because I was not a Jew…

  2. Uriel says:

    Great catch. We now need flood gates open on VA. And also strong arm rants!!

  3. CW says:

    Where’s Rambo when you need him?

    Isn’t it funny how an inept bureaucracy like the V.A. can’t manage to do what it’s supposed to do and properly care for vets but it has the time and the staff to make sure they rat vets out to the FBI? Shows you where their priorities lie, and I’m sure those priorities are dictated to them from the higher ups in the Obama Administration.

    Great visual, Kathy.

  4. Grouchy says:

    Vets are not robots. Veterans of all military branches are human beings, with feelings and emotions, cares and concerns like any other segment of society.
    Maybe the rules should be changed, that ONLY military veteran medical staff can be employed at the headquarters and medical installations of the Veteran’s (You’re Screwed~!) Administration.
    Maybe then, they’d realize their bonuses come out of Vets benefits, and they’d quit treating vets like their benefits came out of the VA “physicians” pockets~!

    • Kathy says:

      They don’t deserve bonuses, but if they get them at all, it should be based on veterans’ reviews of treatment received.

      Make it a ‘Based on a scale of 1-10 how would you rate your care today?’ type of system and see if things change.

  5. Uriel says:

    Geez. No kidding on that one.

  6. propblast says:

    Well…. vets don`t “need” guns anyway. They need to have more boating accidents.(credit hardnox) In the middle of Saginaw Bay, at night, during a hellacious storm.

    The “Fundamental Transformation” is coming along nicely, aided by the able assistance of the willing minions.

    • Kathy says:

      Good to hear from you propblast, and yeah, those boating accidents are a nightmare on guns. Incrementalism is on fast forward these days.