New York Deemed 278 Gun Owners as Mentally Unstable

From Fox News:


New York State’s tough new SAFE Act gun control law has flagged 278 gun owners who could lose their weapons because they have been deemed mentally unstable, a new report shows.

Gov. Andrew Cuomo urged lawmakers to pass the SAFE Act quickly after the 2012 mass shooting at the Sandy Hook elementary school in Newtown, Conn.

The Syracuse Post-Standard reported last week that since the law’s enactment, the state has collected 38,718 names in a database of individuals who have been found at-risk for owning guns by psychiatrists and other health professionals.

The paper said when the database was checked against a list of pistol permit holders in the state, there were 278 matches, less than 1 percent.

Monroe County had the most matches at 36, followed by Westchester, 17, Suffolk, 16 and Dutchess, 14.

The paper said it obtained the county-by-county breakdown from the state in response to a public records law request.

The paper reported that the state does not tally how many individuals in the database have had their permits suspended and guns confiscated. The names in the database are confidential. Judges have to sign off on the suspensions and confiscations, and someone who faces the loss of their permit and weapons can challenge the order.

Cortland County Clerk Elizabeth Larkin told the Post-Standard the police confiscated the guns from a least one permit holder whose name was in the database.

“We had another man who came in and voluntarily handed us his permit and gave his weapons to the police and said, ‘I don’t want them anymore,’” Larkin said.

The size of the database troubles some mental health providers and patient advocates.

“It’s bigger than I thought,” Harvey Rosenthal, executive director of the New York Association of Psychiatric Rehabilitation Services in Albany, told the Post-Standard. “It sends a message to those who might need care that there are a lot of people who are going to be in a database.”

Gun control advocates say the number of names in the database is small compared to the size of the state’s population, which is 20 million.

“It only takes one individual to wreak mayhem and tragedy if they have access to a firearm,” Leah Gunn Barrett, of the group New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, said. “These are individuals who, under no circumstances, should have guns.”


While that number may be only 1%, it is still 278 people who are being denied their 2A rights without having committed a crime. That’s 278 people who were assessed by psychiatrists, whose judgment could be questionable, but the really worrisome part is the ‘other health professionals’. Specifically, who are these pros and what field of medicine are they in?

Out of those 278 people, how many of them gave their permission to be assessed? It’s doubtful any of them did and it’s highly likely the assessments were done without their consent or knowledge.

Naturally the database is bigger than anyone thought it would be, but the fact that it exists at all is outrageous. This whole concept goes against the Constitution and particularly the Second Amendment. Innocence no longer matters.


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18 Responses to New York Deemed 278 Gun Owners as Mentally Unstable

  1. Garnet92 says:

    Good post on an disturbing subject, Kathy. This is a time when I find age to be both a blessing and a curse. Since I’m an old dude, I’ve watched our freedoms and our quality of life gradually degrade through the decades and while I don’t like what I’m seeing, I’m glad that I can identify what’s happening and that’s the blessing.

    It’s advantageous to recognize and understand what’s happening to our beloved country – even while those much younger don’t.

    They don’t have the advantage of experience to overlay onto the ongoing events and see the downward trend. They (mistakenly) believe that the way things are is the way they’ve always been and refuse to believe us old codgers who are screaming that “this is NOT the way our country should be acting.” Unfortunately, many of them voted for this lame excuse for a leader who is single-handedly trashing our Constitution and wreaking havoc on our way of life.

    The curse of age (and to some degree the wisdom that comes with it) is that I can also forecast where this is leading – and I don’t like it. Our children and grandchildren will never know what America was – they will only know what it is becoming. And that is sad.

    • Kathy says:

      True, Garnet, the kids will never know what a great country this used to be. It’s nearly unrecognizable now and when you throw in the perverted version of history they’re getting in school, there will be no appreciation of the freedoms we once had.

    • captbogus2 says:

      True enough, Barnet, true enough. And a freedom never experienced is a freedom never missed.
      Try to tell your grandchildren what it was like to be able to buy M-80’s on the Fourth or ride a bicycle without a helmet or ride in a car without a seatbelt. Or to go camp on the beach and build a bonfire. Or to save your paper route money and buy a .22 from Western Auto…without background checks and days waiting for okay..
      They will look at you and not know what you are talking about because they never experienced true freedom.

  2. tiretramp says:

    One must be Mentally Unstable to live in NYC.


  3. Clyde says:

    All this means is there will be MORE unregistered firearms. The BAD GUYS sure as shit aren’t registered. Cuomo, just another idiot who does NOT know what the words “shall not be infringed” means. Leah- GUNN- Barrett ? Are you shitting me ? Tell the twit to at LEAST change her name.

    • Kathy says:

      Her name caught my attention too, Clyde – kind of ironic that her name is Gunn and she’s anti guns.

      The bad guys will be unaffected – this only stops good guys. Now some of those good guys may not be able to defend themselves. Cuomo’s too ignorant to realize that endless gun restrictions just attract more criminals.

      • upaces88 says:

        Kathy, you nailed it….and that is EXACTLY what they don’t understand. Criminals do NOT buy their weapons…they steal them; have other people buy it for them who have clean records.
        Here in Texas, we don’t have to register our guns. However, when you buy a weapon, they will do a background check for felonies, mental illness, etc.

        • Kathy says:

          So true, upaces, but what they don’t do in Texas is cross you off as mentally unstable before you’ve done anything wrong.

          • I.R. Wayright says:

            That is a Soviet tactic used by the Kremlin to eliminate political opposition. Declare someone who is against the regime as mentally disturbed and off you go to the Gulag Archapelago (Hat tip to Alexsandr Solzhenitsyn). We supposedly have FEMA camps waiting for us when we are deemed a threat. The Tom Cruise movie
            “Minority Report” has the “division of future crimes” arresting citizens who were thinking the wrong thoughts. How far away from that scenario are we now?

            “It only takes one individual to wreak mayhem and tragedy if they have access to a firearm,” Leah Gunn Barrett, of the group New Yorkers Against Gun Violence, said. “These are individuals who, under no circumstances, should have guns.”
            ….Right….and the government keeps releasing violent criminal illegal aliens from prison and into our cities.
            Citizen Kane is on his way. “I’ve had enough, I’m not going to take any more.”

            • captbogus2 says:

              They shut down the mental hospitals because the patients, on new miracle drugs, can assimilate in public. So the patients decide not to take their drugs, go out and kill a bunch of innocent people.
              The government wants to take guns away from the rest of the citizenry.
              Now, tell me what’s wrong with this picture???

            • Kathy says:

              IR, that movie scenario is closer to reality than we care to think.

              These anti-gun people fail to realize that taking guns away from good people won’t stop the ‘mayhem and tragedy’ – people will always find a way if they’re so inclined.

  4. vonMesser says:

    Who are the other “health professionals”? OK, I worked for 5 years in a State Hospital (Western State Hospital in Steilacoom/Lakewood Washington). Social Workers, County Mental Health Assistants, psychological counselors, psychologists, marriage counselors, ARNP’s, PA’s and certain nurses are all considered health professionals that can refer a person for psychiatric evaluation in Washington State.

    • captbogus2 says:

      vM, Get TF out of Washington State. You’d be welcome down here in Texas or Oklahoma.

    • Kathy says:

      Thanks for that information, VM. That’s too many people having a say-so on someone’s mental status, imo. It’s simply too much authority in people that can use it as a bludgeon – look what it’s done to CPS.

  5. vonMesser says:

    Capt – (and some of you others) I actually am looking for a new place to live. However, I’m NOT into HOT or COLD. Washington has great climate – warm in summer, cool in winter (we get 1/ to 1 inch of snow max, for a couple of weeks). Texas sounds nice, but 199 degrees in the summer is a bit much.