How the RNC has screwed us all

Are you aware of the 1982 Consent Decree between the Republican National Committee (RNC) and the Democratic National Committee (DNC)?

If you’re not, don’t be alarmed, most others don’t know about it either. Even if you’re a political junkie, it’s unlikely that you’ve been aware of the Consent Decree and what it means to voters – particularly Republican voters.

So you might say, I sometimes vote Republican, so what’s that mean to me?

It means that many well-informed, politically active Republicans (like you, perhaps?) could have their votes cancelled out by democrat voter fraud and, thanks to the RNC; our hands are tied to stop it.

While that may sound like some kind of conspiracy nonsense, it’s not, and we’ve got the evidence here. It just hasn’t been exposed as widely as it deserves. Essentially, the RNC agreed, by signing that Consent Decree, to limit our ability to compete on equal footing with the democrats.

Here’s how the whole debacle started: during the 1981 New Jersey gubernatorial election, the DNC and the New Jersey Democratic State Committee (DSC) brought an action against the RNC and the New Jersey Republican State Committee (RSC) in the U.S. District Court in New Jersey accusing them of discrimination against minority voters.

The RNC (and RSC) were accused of “voter caging” and other lesser misdeeds. The RNC (and RSC) allegedly created a voter challenge list by mailing sample ballots to individuals in precincts with a high percentage of racial or ethnic minority registered voters and then, when postcards were returned as undeliverable, they included those individuals on a list of voters to challenge at the polls.

At some point during the proceedings, the RNC apparently became convinced that they were losing the case, and thinking that they may be hit with tough sanctions, agreed to sign a Consent Order to escape the court’s wrath.

The Consent Order (also known as a Consent Decree) stopped the court from rendering a decision and even though the RNC didn’t admit to any illegal activity, they did agree to the terms of the Consent Decree.

So, on November 1, 1982, the RNC and the DNC signed a national Consent Decree which (among other things) limits the ability of the RNC (and its associates) to undertake “any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts” where a significant effect of such activities would be to deter qualified voters from voting. And, as if that wasn’t enough, the CD contained no expiration date or sunset provision, meaning that it would be in effect forever.

Here is a description of the activities surrounding the accusations and the decree itself.

Click here to link to the original 1982 Consent Decree as it was incorporated into a 11/3/2008 filing (a 5 page .pdf).

original 1982 Consent Decree

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OK, so why is this pesky old agreement still giving us trouble 32 years later?

Because the RNC thought it acceptable to sign a legally binding agreement without any expiration date and without any concern for voluntarily neutering the Republican fight against fraudulent voting.

Following are the details of what the decree requires of the RNC and all of its agents and employees “whether acting directly or indirectly through other party committees.” In all states and territories of the United States, they must:

(a) comply with all applicable state and federal laws protecting the rights of duly qualified citizens to vote for the candidate(s) of their choice;

(b) in the event that they produce or place any signs which are part of ballot security activities, cause said signs to disclose that they are authorized or sponsored by the party committees and any other committees participating with the party committees;

(c) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their agents or employees to remove or deface any lawfully printed and placed campaign materials or signs;

(d) refrain from giving any directions to or permitting their employees to campaign within restricted polling areas or to interrogate prospective voters as to their qualifications to vote prior to their entry to a polling place;

(e) refrain from undertaking any ballot security activities in polling places or election districts where the racial or ethnic composition of such districts is a factor in the decision to conduct, or the actual conduct of, such activities there and where a purpose or significant effect of such activities is to deter qualified voters from voting; and the conduct of such activities disproportionately in or directed toward districts that have a substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations shall be considered relevant evidence of the existence of such a factor and purpose;

(f) refrain from having private personnel deputized as law enforcement personnel in connection with ballot security activities.

The (e) item is the harshest one since it specifies that nearly any activity that would target a “substantial proportion of racial or ethnic populations” as a factor could be considered relevant evidence of the existence of a violation of the decree.

The RNC has tried to overturn the original Consent Decree several times, and each time the court has refused to vacate the decree. And each time the Decree is revisited, the Carter appointee judge who signed the original agreement (and has long since retired), comes back just so he can renew the order again.

In Louisiana during the 1986 Congressional elections, the RNC allegedly created a voter challenge list (again) by mailing letters to African-American voters and, then, including individuals whose letters were returned as undeliverable on a list of voters to challenge – voter caging again. The DNC once again alleged that the RNC had participated in voter suppression.

In response to a discovery request made in that suit, the RNC found and turned over to the DNC, a memorandum in which its Midwest Political Director stated to its Southern Political Director that “this program will eliminate at least 60,000–80,000 folks from the rolls . . . If it’s a close race . . . which I’m assuming it is, this could keep the black vote down considerably.

I’d call that a “smoking gun” wouldn’t you? The RNC strikes again …

So in 1987, the RNC and DNC settled (again) by modifying the Consent Decree to require the RNC to obtain court pre-approval of any ballot security programs or poll watching efforts they intended to implement, and provide 20 days’ notice to the DNC. It further defined the term “ballot security activities” to mean “ballot integrity, ballot security or other efforts to prevent or remedy vote fraud.”

In addition to providing its chief political rival with 20 days’ notice of its intended ballot-security actions, the modified Decree also required the RNC to state “a description of the program to be undertaken, the purpose(s) to be served, and the reasons why the program complies with the Consent Order and applicable law.”

But they weren’t finished yet.  As part of the order dated December 1, 2009, the court further modified the Decree by reducing the  notice period from 20 to 10 days, they added additional clarification of the term “Ballot Security” and “Normal poll-watch function” in addition to a few other items. But one of the major revisions was to place a limit on the term of the Decree. It was scheduled to expire on December 1, 2017 – UNLESS the DNC proves “by a preponderance of the evidence” that the RNC has (once again) violated the terms of the agreement – in which case, the Decree will be extended for another eight years from the date of that violation.

In war, sports, or politics, what happens when the opposition knows your strategy in advance? That’s easy – they win, you lose.

Also, in 1990, the DNC brought another lawsuit alleging that the RNC violated the Consent Decree by mailing 150,000 postcards to residents of predominantly African-American precincts. This program allegedly attempted to intimidate voters by warning that it is a “federal crime . . . to knowingly give false information about your name, residence or period of residence to an election official.”

The postcards falsely stated that there was a 30-day minimum residency requirement prior to the election during which voters must have lived in the precinct in which they cast their ballot.

The Consent Decree remained in full force and effect. Chalk up another screw-up by our friends who keep asking us to contribute, the Republicans.

The Consent Decree does help to explain how the 2012 election got turned from a likely Romney victory into a win for Obama. How else could 100 precincts in Ohio have 19,605 votes for Obama and zero for Romney? And what about the other precincts where Obama got 99 percent of the vote – how else does this happen, especially in a swing state?

Or another report out of St. Lucie county in Florida (another swing state), where they reported 247,713 votes cast when only 175,554 voters are registered (141.10% turnout). How did that happen? Was it a miracle? It seems like that should be evidence of voter fraud all by itself.

And the party “leadership” can’t even challenge them? It’s no wonder that voter fraud is widespread, the democrats aren’t worried about getting caught – who’s going to catch them? Can we expect them to voluntarily turn themselves in?

It’s hard to believe that the RNC really screwed up in their handling of the Consent Decree so badly, isn’t it? But wait, there’s more.

Following is the opinion of the 3rd circuit court in response to an RNC appeal in 2010. This is lifted from the actual court filing. Note the words the court used to chide the RNC for their idiotic handling of the Consent Decree:

The RNC asks that our Court vacate a decree that has as its central purpose preventing the intimidation and suppression of minority voters. When, as here, a party voluntarily enters into a consent decree not once, but twice, and  then  waits  over  a  quarter  of  a  century  before  filing  a motion to vacate or modify  the decree, such action gives us pause. Further, the RNC, with the advice of counsel, twice chose to limit indefinitely its ability to engage in certain activities enumerated in the Decree by entering into a decree with no expiration date.

Beginning to see how the RNC let all Republican voters down? By their really stupid activities and bonehead legal pleadings, they’ve insured that voter fraud will continue to help elect democrats while at the same time, legally prevent any RNC-related group from doing anything about it.

Here’s another comment from the court recognizing the stupidity of the RNC:

Furthermore, the District Court has never prevented the RNC from implementing a voter fraud prevention program that the RNC has submitted for preclearance, at least in part, because the RNC has never submitted any voter fraud prevention program for preclearance.

In other words, they haven’t even tried. The statement continues,

“If the risk of voter fraud is as great and consequential as the RNC alleges and an RNC voter security program is a significant part of efforts needed to prevent that voter fraud, it would seem that the RNC would have attempted to obtain preclearance for a voter security program at least once since 1987.”

Wouldn’t you think so? No one has been able to come up with anything in over 20 years?

We have a serious lack of critical thinking and leadership in the stratosphere of the Republican Party. Maybe that’s why we are winning so many elections.

Stalin was right when he said, “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

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Here is just a taste of what you’ll see via the links. This is another snip of one of the court orders and a link to a description of how the original 1982 order came to be – it is describing what happened:

Dec 2009 refuse to vacate

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The important point is … WHY HAS THE REPUBLICAN LEADERSHIP KEPT THIS CONSENT DECREE SECRET? WHY IS IT PRACTICALLY UNKNOWN?

That’s actually a rhetorical question – we know why.

If Republican voters knew that the party’s “leadership” has crippled our ability to combat democrat voter fraud – voluntarily – the contributions would dry up. Period.

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Here are links to more real evidence – from the actual court documents. Note that they are all .pdf documents, the large ones may be slow to load, depending on your service..

PLEASE READ THEM and form your own conclusions.

  • This is the original 1982 Consent Decree as it was incorporated into a 11/3/2008 filing – 5 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-SDW Document 43-5 Filed 11/03/2008

  • RNC urges the Court to grant its motion to vacate the Consent Decree – 32 pages

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-SDW Document 43-4 Filed 11/03/2008

  •  DNC respectfully requests that the court deny Defendant’s Motion to Vacate – 37 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-MAS Document 55 Filed 01/19/2009

  • RNC urges the Court to grant its motion to vacate the Consent Decree or, alternatively, to modify it – 16 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-MAS Document 57 Filed 02/19/2009

  • RNC urges Court to Vacate the Consent Decree – 34 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-MAS Document 78 Filed 06/26/2009

  • DNC requests that the court deny Defendant’s Motion to Vacate – 43 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-MAS Document 79 Filed 06/26/2009

  • RNC’s Motion to Vacate the Consent Decree is denied. The Consent Decree will be modified – 79 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-MAS Document 84 Filed 12/01/09

  •  It is on this 1st of December 2009, ordered that the RNC’s Motion to Vacate the Consent Decree is denied – 3 pages.

Case 2:81-cv-03876-DRD-MAS Document 85 Filed 12/01/09

A FINAL NOTE

This is not the end. We are only beginning to shine the light on this formerly secretive issue. Hardnox, the keeper of the archives for this subject, has lots more. We will continue to expose more about the RNC’s fumbling to our readers in the coming months as we approach the 2014 mid-term elections.

Stay tuned to ‘Nox & Friends for more reporting on this issue.

Big H/T to Hardnox for enlightening me about this serious subject.

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193 Responses to How the RNC has screwed us all

  1. Hardnox says:

    Garnet, you did an absolutely stellar job reporting this. Your narrative has even given me new insights into this disaster.

    No where, except this piece, is there a narrative that explains this so succinctly.

    Well done.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Thanks Nox for introducing me to the subject – I wasn’t aware until the heavens broke, a white light shone down from above and covered me with wisdom and enlightenment and I was sore afraid …

      of what those pesky RINOs in DC are doin’ to us (and not even dinner and a movie). A voice bellowed (yes, bellowed) “Go and RNC no more,” so that’s what I’m doing.

      • Hardnox says:

        We need to keep beating this drum. Let’s face it, if this were a role reversal the DNC would have ignored the decree outright. If challenged they would have gone to the press screaming “unfair”. That would have ended it right there.

        Only the RNC would keep kicking this can down the road year after year hoping they would have the decision vacated.

        The part that really pisses me off is that our votes don’t count anymore. The bottom line is we no longer have a Constitutional Republic. It is a de facto dictatorship masked as representative government. We go to the polls every two years to cast our votes in an imaginary election.

        • Garnet92 says:

          It’s true, REAL votes don’t count any more than the bogus votes the dems conjure up. As noted in the essay, Stalin said: “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything” there’s a lot of truth in that statement.

          • In fact, it is the key to understanding that our continuing votes serve to legitimize a hopelessly corrupt political system ruled by the same global conspiracy which ruled the Soviet Union and Russia today, headed by the 4,000 member Council on Foreign Relations in the US and Round Table groups in other nations.

            So what choice do patriotic American voters have? Boycott all elections and reveal them to be the fraud they have been for the past 100 year or more. Don’t expect our globalist-owned and controlled media to report the voting statistics accurately. They won’t. Every poll and news piece is manipulated and little more than propaganda designed to give us the illusion that we live in a nation with any honesty and integrity to it. We don’t. It’s that simple.

    • Libertarian Soldier says:

      I’m wondering why The RNC doesn’t revisit the decree and demand equal regulations on the DNC, like mutual restraining orders. I’m fairly certain both sides would agree to expiration dates or at least studies to its efficacy. Another idea would be to reform the party under a different name and different leadership. We’re heading that way, anyway.

  2. Kathy says:

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. At any point in time since 1987 the R’s could have created a program to prevent voter fraud, cleared it with the court, and negated the decree, and they haven’t done it?

    That means Romney could have been president and much of the damage done by O could be cleaned up, reversed, etc., right?

    Good stuff, Garnet. I learned of the decree a while back, but I didn’t know about the statement made by the judge to the R’s. That makes it all the more ludicrous.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Well Kathy, it may not be quite so simple. While it’s true that the RNC didn’t present any programs to the court, even if they had, the program still had to get by the DNC’s arguments against it before the court would make a decision to allow it (not a slam dunk). Then, assuming approval, the program had to actually work. Considering the RNC’s past history, that’s not a slam dunk either.

      Of course, you pointed out the critical step that the “braintrust” in Republican “leadership” skipped. They FORGOT step one, creating and presenting a program to the court. I guess they can claim that they’ve never had a program denied by the court – that IS the way they look at things.

    • I would definitely doubt if Romney would have done any better than the big O. Seriously, Romney having been elected as governor of Massachusetts, one of the most heavily liberal states in the Union? Romney’s predictions or no predictions, he was just another RINO.

      • Hardnox says:

        Fellow Patriot, Thanks for hopping into the discussion and welcome to N&F.

        After 4 years of Zero do you really think that people sat home? Many people couldn’t wait to vote against Obama. Romney’s campaign rallies were huge compared to Obama’s. I will never believe that 7 million less people voted for Romney than did McCain. McCain ran such a crappy campaign and never even appeared to want the POTUS job in the first place. Romney wanted the job.

        Further, Obama’s numbers were way down from ’08. Romney (not my first choice) offered a stark contrast to Zero in my opinion. All of which has proven correct in the last year.

        Certainly we would have preferred a more Conservative candidate than Romney but that is what this country chose in the primaries. Some pundits claim that the Evangelicals sat it out because Romney is a Mormon. I don’t believe that either.

        I am convinced that the election was stolen via voter fraud.

        • Thank you for welcoming me to N&F, Hardnox. I mean no disrespect to Romney, personally I liked Romney and his family. But as the problem with most Republican politicians as of late, is that they’re nice people, but their politics are all wrong.

          Romney was most definitely a Christian, and I believe he would have given this country a moral compass for once. And I do believe that the big O only won because of massive voter fraud, which I would also have to point to the GOP for this problem as well, as referenced to the article above.

          But I don’t believe that Romney really wanted the presidency. This video here would explain this far better than me. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wgxlp2UJI5I If you watch Bill Whittle a lot, I’m sure that you would have already watched it.

          But I don’t believe Romney would have made this country better, and most likely he would have repeated what the big O is doing now, the only difference being that it was the Republicans who was to blame, and the Democrats would have never lost their vampire-like grip on America.

          • Hardnox says:

            We welcome all conservatives. That is why we are here and we invite all viewpoints provided that they are polite, as you have been.

            Romney most certainly would have provided a moral compass for this country which it is desperate for. Further, our situations abroad would be quite different too.

            Whether or not Romney wanted the presidency is debatable. Part of it might have been for wanting to fulfill his father’s dream who ran back in the 60’s.

            This issue at hand regarding this decree is paramount insomuch that “our votes do not matter” and that is the point. If elections are nothing more than Kabuki theater then our problems are much more systemic than anyone realizes. We are screwed as a country and will be committed to the ash heaps of history as have other great nations.

            To that end we plan on beating this drum in the hope of getting our fellow citizens in tune and onboard. The problem lays at the feet of the GOP. Waiting until Dec. 2017 for the decree to expire is NOT the answer. People deserve better and we demand better.

            • And beat the drum we will! The GOP has to throw out it’s deeply embedded closet Communist RINOs within their ranks. It would be difficult, but I believe it can be done.

              I’m not trying to start a debate on whether Romney wanted the presidency, and I’m not trying to Romney bash, I was pointing out in such dire straits as our country was in 2012 (although much less dire than now), Romney didn’t even want to look like he really, I mean really, desired the presidency. All candidates want their goal to a degree. That’s simply something I’m pointing out, but I could be wrong.

              We would definitely be in big trouble if our votes no longer counted to the counters. As Stalin once said (although I don’t believe he said it himself, just one of his own cronies, because he was one unoriginal person), “It doesn’t matter who votes. What matters is who counts the votes.” If the GOP appoints Komrade Khristie for their candidate in 2016, we’ve already lost before we’ve even begun voting.

              • Hardnox says:

                No argument here. The GOP has had progressive infiltrators for decades. Look at Colin Powell or Michael Bloomberg as examples… but I digress.

                Garnet referenced Stalin’s quote above. It reads “Those who vote decide nothing. Those who count the vote decide everything.”

                Our votes no longer matter. Period. This issue should be a concern for every American regardless of political stripe.

                • Well, there’s a lot of variations of that quote. But talking about the vote no longer mattering anymore, we can just take a look over the Atlantic and across Europe to find Russia, where you can be guaranteed to have either: your vote not counted, or your vote changed to the other guy (Putin).

                  Russia had major protests against Putin in the last election, but did it change anything? No, because Putin had already disarmed the Russian people, and it’s Putin that has the military police state that will willingly kill innocent people in “terrorist bombings” as an excuse to strengthen his power. You know those recent bombings in Volgograd? Not for a second do I believe that it was Muslim Chechens that did it. Putin has done this many times before by using his FSB to plant bombs in public centers and use those bombings to expand his presidential powers to “better protect the people”. Example: Russian apartment bombings of 1999.

                  Putin already has state run media, and he deliberately changes outside media reports to a favorable view of him. Russia is no longer a republic. It is the rebirth of the USSR. This is the direction which I fear we are heading down now.

                  • Hardnox says:

                    FP, you nailed that perfectly.

                    • I don’t mean to digress, but Russia should be an important example for us all. What is even stranger, is the Russia went down the same path which we are following now. With the Russian bureaucracy claiming it could, “better take care of people”, and Russians believed it. Putin only sped up the process tenfold with his using the FSB to bomb innocent people into submission because he was determined to be the dictator of Russia. We as conservatives, should constantly point to Russia as an example as why we should never trust bureaucrats saying they can “take care of us”. Unfortunately, we don’t point to Russia enough.

                    • Hardnox says:

                      True enough. I will point out that Romney pointed to Russia as our #1 enemy during the campaign. He was vilified for it.

                    • And I should also point out, that even stranger enough, both Obama and Putin came from the same background. Meaning absolutely no background at all. There is extremely very little known about Putin’s earlier life, except for the information he gives out. The same is true with Obama. There are hardly any witnesses either. The advantage here is that these two men could make up absolutely anything about their past lives, whether good or bad. Are these the type of leaders we will be receiving more often?

                  • Kathy says:

                    FP, like Hardnox said, you got it right. Unfortunately many Americans think more highly of Russia than they do the US. That tells you how effective Putin’s slanted media has been.

                    Those same Americans pay little to no attention to our own politics, yet they vote. That’s why it’s important to educate people on the facts and not leave it to sound bites.

                    Let me add my welcome to you also.

                    • Thank you very much for your generous welcome, Kathy. It is extremely important that we need to educate people on these things, but as usual, many people just shut themselves inside their comfort zone, close their eyes, clamp their hands over their ears, and yell, “I don’t wanna listen!” Like little children.

                      More or less, I really think we start referring to Russia as the USSR 2.0. There is zero difference between the two, except for no Communist rhetoric spewing out from Pravda everyday. Oh wait a minute, you mean to tell me that Pravda is still very popular in Russia? Well, whaddaya know.

                      Like I said, we desperately need a 180 degree turn around from the path we are heading down on, like so many other ruined countries have not done. I cannot stress this importantly enough.

                    • Garnet92 says:

                      Fellow Patriot, let me add my thanks for participating in this discussion, we certainly have succeeded in stirring up a hornet’s nest – in a good way. Our problem as conservatives is, as you correctly pointed out, is that there are far too many “citizens” who refuse to pay attention – even when their very way of life is at risk.

                      We are determined to make a difference by educating those who are “hard of thinking” and help them see how their indifference is putting the United States that we’ve known at risk.

                      We need your help. It will take millions of us banding together to exert the pressure on those in D.C. to change their ways or be retired via the ballot box.

                  • Hardnox says:

                    FP, Putin rose through the KGB to the rank of Colonel. He’s a professional thug. I have no illusions about him. I also don’t doubt that he was responsible for many getting a bullet in the back of the head. Putin is a dictator in every sense of the definition. USSR 2.0 is exactly right. The only compliment that I will give Putin is that he loves is country. The current occupier of the WH does not.

                    • You are correct about Putin, Hardnox. May I recommend to everyone here, that if they want to read the facts about Putin, they should definitely read “The Man Without a Face” by Masha Gessen, which is an excellent read written by an excellent reporter that is very knowledgeable about Putin’s suppressing of outside reporters, and many other things about Putin as well.

                      Well, the current occupier of the WH definitely loves the people’s Republic of New York, Mexifornia, Massachusetts, Hawaii, Illinois, and sadly enough, even my own home state, Washington. He loves those parts of the country and butchers the rest.

                • friday51 says:

                  We have the Soros’ and Bilderberg’s/Rothschild group controlling EVERYTHING. It is Agenda 21 and the NWO – Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and everything will make sense. Every last bit of it. THAT is what Operation American Spring is dsigned to do – to demand that Congress get rid of the NWO puppets in our government including but not limited to Obama, Reid, Boehner, Jarrett (especially Jarrett), Eric Holder – we can only win this if our government is completely clean of the facist/communists traitors that have usurped our great nation. May 16, 2014.

  3. Clyde says:

    Garnet, take a bow, and welcome to the club. NOW you see WHY, when people such as BrianR, myself, Gunny G, Hardnox, et al, refer to the establishment, French Republicans as the Perpetually Stupid Party, you know just WHAT we are talking about.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Thanks for clearing that up Clyde. I got the “French Republican” reference, but didn’t know what “PSP” meant. The problem keeps coming back to us (the country as a whole) for voting for the lame asses we have now. Term limits are a MUST to me, but even then we need to (legally) keep out of office those who refuse to follow Constitutional principles and abide by the law – like the occupant.

      • 😀 L O L ~! 😀 I learned, too, Garnet,,, I thought that PSP party stood for Piece S#$T Party,,, but then, there’s not much difference, is there~!~?

        • Garnet92 says:

          That’s closer to truth than the other definition! Don’t be too hard on them Grouchy, they aren’t playing with a full deck – in this PC world, they ought to be known as “commonsensically challenged.”

          • Personally, I don’t the GOP is perpetually stupid, or French for that matter. It’s all just part of the plan by the establishment RINOs to paralyze their own party in order to let their Dem buddies win. (Bircher alert)

          • Blessed B. says:

            Screw being PC! That’s part of the problem…we don’t want to offend anybody!…. I’ll stick with Grouchy’s version just to be ornery! 🙂

            • garnet92 says:

              Glad you dropped by BB! I’ll see your PSP definition (GF’s version) and raise you another PS – making it the Perpetually Stupid, Piece of S*it – Party. That further defines the Republicans.

              • Blessed B. says:

                Garnet..

                So it’s the PSPSParty ? I can go with that! We have a couple of those parties here also so I can relate!

                I don’t know what the answer is to get things back to being what the Founding Fathers wanted other than a total flip out by the American people. It’s been at least 3-4 years since I started telling people on blogs that I can feel it coming… It just might come down to having people so angry that they’ll finally start remembering what “We The People” actually means.

                • garnet92 says:

                  BB, I sincerely hope that your feelings are accurate. I wish that I could say that I felt more optimistic about our future. The problem, as I see it, is that we have far too many unengaged idiots voting. They’re not analyzing what a candidate’s agenda could do to our country (or they don’t care). We simply have too many non-thinking voters casting a ballot for a personality, not qualifications. Disgusting!

                  • Blessed B. says:

                    There are many of those low information, non-thinking voters in Canada also! So many are rallying around Justin Trudeau ( liberal Leader)…he has just as much know-how to run a country than Obama does! Matter of fact…. he is going on the Hope and change strategy! He’s young, good looking and has the gift of saying absolutely nothing during a five minute monologue…of course he was a Drama Teacher before being a member of parliament!

                    If he gets into the Prime Minister chair during our next election….we will be headed down the same road you are!

                    Yes…it’s very disgusting!

                    • Garnet92 says:

                      I thought the name was familiar – going for a dynasty in Canada now? I did read a little about Trudeau and you’re right, he looks like a lighter Odumdum and already is talking about abolishing your Senate? Whoa, that’s pretty heavy duty for a drama teacher. It is becoming painfully evident that our elections are becoming “American Idol-style” popularity contests with the “no-information voters.” I’ll begin including Canada in my prayers for the U.S., we both may need them.

                      Thanks BB.

                    • Blessed B. says:

                      Thanks Garnet! The prayers will be most welcome! I’ve been praying for you folks too! 🙂

  4. BrianR says:

    Well, at the risk of being repetitious… super-glued on stupid.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Brian, I was already not a fan of the majority of Congress, but this ongoing saga of stupid really pushed me over the edge. I mean, how STUPID can one party be, to constantly commit unforced errors that we, the people, end up paying for? What’s next, what’s next, what’s next?

  5. Mrs AL says:

    Ok, I read. I think I understood what I read (I hope). Boy, some of those court documents are wordy 🙂

    Couple of questions (pardon me if these are topics for future posts) … If I were registered as a republican but chose to be affiliated with the Tea Party, am I obligated to abide by the Consent Decree?

    Second, has the RNC ever sued the DNC for similar tactics? I can’t find anything if they have. Voter intimidation goes on all over the place all the time. We have all witnessed it if involved with campaigns.

    Superb job here, Garnet. Take a series of bows, sir!

    • Garnet92 says:

      Thanks for reading a second version, Mrs. AL! The association with the RNC could be a little dicey. Going by a definition included in the order, it states that “The RNC, its agents, servants, and employees would be bound by the decree, whether acting directly or indirectly through other party committees.” So, if the DNC could find ANY miniscule linkage between you and the RNC, they’d be all over it. What that relationship might be would be up to legal interpretation.

      As far as the RNC ever suing the DNC for similar offenses – I don’t know. I haven’t run across any and if you’ve Googled it and didn’t see anything – the answer may be no. Let’s ask Nox if he is aware of any action by the RNC against the DNC.

      • Mrs AL says:

        Interesting … use of the term “servants.” And the DNC can fly a kite.

        • Garnet92 says:

          Yeah, you caught that too, huh. I expect that it means something like anyone who acts under the direction of the RNC or one of its tentacles – how many degrees of separation does it take to get clean of the RNC?

          • Blessed B. says:

            When do they consider a voter to be an Independent?

            • garnet92 says:

              I think that the DNC could construct linkage (no matter how tenuous any relationships might be) sufficient for them to sue again – as long as their ancient, decrepit old Judge Deveboise can resurrect himself long enough to find against the RNC.

              • Blessed B. says:

                How old is that decrepit old judge? God Willing…it won’t be long before his lottery number is pulled above!

                • garnet92 says:

                  Don’t know the month BB, but he was born in 1924, so that makes him 90 on his 2014 birthday. Interestingly, he was interviewed by the Historical Society of the NJ District Court in 2010 and was likely awarded an “antique” designation by them for his many years of service.

                  I suspect that (even if he expires) the DNC will reanimate him long enough to rule again on the Consent Decree if it’s challenged again. Of course, he may have already written his next ruling in advance just in case he doesn’t make it. That ruling will find for the plaintiff (DNC) and against the defendant (RNC).

      • Hardnox says:

        Garnet, I have researched if the RNC ever filed against the DNC since 1982 and I believe that is a NO.

        Mrs. AL, Garnet is correct. The decree applies to ANYONE associated with the RNC. It is a very broad brush. This explains why someone like Rep. Allen West did not challenge the voter fraud in Port St. Lucie County in 2012 when voter fraud was blatantly obvious as indicated with 115% plus voter turnout.

        Further, it explains why the talking heads like Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, and others talked about voter fraud for a few days then shut-up about it. That’s only speculation but we can all read between the lines.

  6. Way to roll, Garnet,,, The P.S.P. party really messed up. What I don’t understand is, why it was done on Ronald Reagan’s watch???
    I would think he had something to say about it~!

  7. Gunny G says:

    WELL DONE! This should be on the national news. Damn the GOP.

  8. white531 says:

    Excellent comment, Garnet. Voter fraud is how we got Obama. There is some hope, though. I believe I read somewhere that the decree does, in fact, have an expiration date. December 1, 2017.

  9. white531 says:

    Here is the section of the 2009 court order that addresses it:

    (6) The Consent Decree shall expire, and the entirety of its terms shall become null and void, on December 1, 2017, eight years after the date of this Order. If during the period between today’s Order and December 1, 2017, the DNC proves by a preponderance of the evidence that the RNC has violated the terms of the Consent Decree, the Decree shall be extended for eight years from the date of that violation.

    The bad part is, you know the DNC is going to sue the Republicans again, to try to keep the thing going.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Good catch white! It’s in my notes and just didn’t make the rewrite. I’ll update the post today to reflect it. And you’re absolutely right, they’ll find some tiny, insignificant screw-up by the repubs and call in Judge Dickinson R. Debevoise to lower the boom once again for another eight years.

    • Hardnox says:

      Ditto on the good catch. I completely missed that.

  10. Mrs AL says:

    Maybe someone could help me with another question …. why doesn’t the RNC disband? Simply come up with another name for the Party and regroup under that brand? Wouldn’t that nullify the decree?

    • Garnet92 says:

      As usual Mrs, another pithy question. It would probably be troublesome though. If the bulk of the leadership roles remained in the hands of the same bureaucrats, the move would probably be viewed by the court as an attempt to subvert the Decree and land them in hot water AGAIN.

      It might work if an entirely new group formed an organization – but then, it would be de facto a different entity and could move ahead – but there could be NO ties with the “old” RNC and thus, would put all of the current RNC out of a job. That would (justifiably) piss off the current group of dolts.

      The Tea Party might be able to get away with programs since the RNC has been totally opposed to the TP and publically heaped scorn on them. That might be enough to prove that there is no cooperation between them.

      Obviously, I’m not legally qualified to rule on that issue, but seems like the Tea Party could pick up the fight independent of the Republican Party.

      • Mrs AL says:

        But But But … change language, change behavior, eh? The Liberty Party would lead the old guard to leave simply because they are not fans of true liberty! Oh well, I tried.

        • Hardnox says:

          Mrs AL, in my heart I want to believe we could abandon the GOP. Unfortunately, the task would be beyond enormous. When we consider an office in each county in every state and territory, state and territory offices, a national office, staff and volunteers by the tens of thousands, then a board, and finance committe, etc. You get the idea.

          There are a dozen other parties that have been around for decades and have never gotten off the ground. For instance, take the Libertarian Party. After all those years the best that they could field was Ron Paul who ran as a Republican.

          Unless one day, every Conservative in Congress (both Houses) said “screw it” and joined with a third party in a massive revolt, it would never happen. Of course, the donors would need to come along too and the volunteers.

          • Garnet92 says:

            I know that we’ve probably all gone back and forth on this, but we have only two choices: one, a new party, probably with the Tea Party as a nucleus, or stage a coup on the Republican Party and take it over.

            My personal view (yours may vary) is that while I’d prefer to see the Tea Party, with its base of conservative activists rise to equal or surpass the size and strength of the Republican Party, BUT and that’s a big BUT, realistically that will take YEARS, I’m guessing AT LEAST eight, maybe more like twelve or sixteen before it could compete nationally for POTUS. I don’t think that we have that luxury – if Hillary were to win in 2016, eight years later, we’ll be extinct.

            I don’t see how we can win a presidential election, even taking over the Republican Party, without a Messiah-like conservative candidate who can so inspire the people that the remaining RINOs in the Republican “leadership” see it as in their best interest to join conservatives under the Republican banner.

            Most of the names the “power brokers” are throwing out are NOT that candidate: Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, etc.

            Maybe Ted Cruz, Scott Walker? Any other thoughts?

            • Hardnox says:

              Garnet, we don’t differ at all on this subject. I would prefer a coup of the GOP by Conservatives as you describe. Of course, that is every Conservative’s dream. One that we have had since 1988. The question remains: how long do we keep waiting? I sense a growing impatience with people across this country. People are tired of the bullshit.

              i would prefer a ted Cruz but the establishment is bent on throwing him under the bus. Unless an event propels Cruz to the front of the line we will get what the power brokers have already decided.

    • white531 says:

      The RNC is a known brand. Any attempt to use another name to avoid the decree, would simply be seen as dodging the court’s order, and be declared null and void, as soon as it appeared.

      No, we’re pretty much stuck with the decree as it is, along with the worthless Republicans that make up the party who allowed it to happen in the first place.

      This issue was not something that was in my gun sights, but I am glad Garnet brought it to the forefront. The more we know, the more we know how to deal with what we are facing.

      Thanks again, to Garnet, for enlightening us on this issue. One of many, that we face, as we go about the business of trying to save what’s left of this Republic that Jefferson, and Madison, and Franklin were so fond of. One that Patrick Henry would have given his life for.

      Garnet’s comment was good. This site that Hardnox put together is good. But most of all, this nation, now two hundred years old, that the Founders put together, is also good.

      I don’t know about you, but I would like to keep it. By “keeping it,” what I really mean, is protecting it. Protecting it from further harm.

      Not only from those who seek to destroy it, like Obama and Soros, and people like them, but harm from any corner of the globe, who seek to destroy what the Founders created, and we are trying so desperately to preserve.

      Make your own list of our enemies. I have mine. There may be some similarities, and some differences, I have no doubt of that. But that’s okay. Just so long as we both know that this nation has enemies. For the heroes we need to fight those enemies, you don’t have to look any further than the closest Military base near you.
      Or maybe just go to Arlington.

      Regarding the enemies we face, your wide screen plasma is not going to help you, when they come to call. Just like it did not help four brave Americans in Benghazi.

      While Obama and Hillary Clinton watched on a wide screen plasma, perfectly safe, throughout the entire ordeal, four Americans died. I will never forget that. Nor should you. God Bless America. God Bless those who have fought to protect it, and keep it what it is, for the rest of us. We will forever be in their debt.

      Sorry for the long post.

      • Garnet92 says:

        Don’t apologize for a long post that actually says something, white. We are on the same page and I for one will NEVER forget Benghazi and those four Americans that died while Obama and Hillary napped or watched Honey Boo Boo or whatever. Your words could come from any of us here at N&F, we are of a like mind.

        Now, we just have to figure out the best way to take over the Republican Party. Unifying will be the start of that.

  11. Hardnox says:

    Here is a link to 22 known examples of voter fraud: http://endoftheamericandream.com/archives/22-signs-that-voter-fraud-is-wildly-out-of-control-and-the-election-was-a-sham

    For example: There were 59 voting divisions in the city of Philadelphia where Mitt Romney did not receive a single vote. In those voting divisions, the combined vote total was 19,605 for Barack Obama and 0 for Mitt Romney.

  12. Kathy says:

    I think it’s important for people to spread this story far and wide, so the GOP becomes aware that we all know about this decree. They need to know we’re not in a coma and that we think this was a stupid thing to agree on.

    They don’t want this publicized because they’re concerned about losing our donations and support. Everyone needs to tell them we know, so maybe they’ll be forced to pull their heads out and take some action.

    • Garnet92 says:

      You’re right Kathy, the GOP needs to know that WE know and if enough people begin to rebel against the R’s, they’ll have to change their tune. But that alone won’t do it, we need a leader, like a Ted Cruz or Rand Paul to stir up the masses and convince the RINO Republicans that they are on the losing side.

      Seems like it would be possible for the Tea Party to act independently with activists who are NOT registered Republicans to execute programs to catch voting fraud and not trigger court sanctions. No doubt, the dems would scream and file suit if it were successful, but as long as the TP group kept completely segregated from the R’s it could happen.

  13. white531 says:

    There is that. There is also Scott Walker.

    The Republican Party is either going to die a slow death, or it is going to be overturned, and enjoy a Renaissance.

    It will either cease to exist, or it will be transformed by new people who actually believe in Freedom and believe in the future of this country, into something that will serve the people, instead of the politicians.

    Either way, the current comedy, does not have long to live. Of that, I am sure.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Can’t argue with your words again. Scott Walker is someone I could get behind – he’s proven he has the balls to stand up for what is right and he has a proven record of 1) overcoming a recall and 2) fiscal management that is saving his state money.

      • white531 says:

        Here’s the thing. The main thing, actually. The best Presidents in the History of this nation, have been State Governors. Why is that such a revelation? Running a State, is a primer course for running the national government. It simply proves you have the ability. The ability to manage all of the complex things a State is involved in.

        Premier among those things, is the budget. The money the state takes in, and the money the state spends. That is the experience a Governor of any State of this Union gains, by being a Governor. Think of it, as being a training ground, for being President. As an example of that, you might take a look at Scott Walker’s record, in that regard. His record, on that issue, is pristine.

        On the other hand, Senators have nothing to bring to the table, except absolute corruption. I could not have a better example for that statement, than the current occupant of our White House.

        All Senators can think of, is how to spend our money. As long as I live, I will never again vote for a Presidential candidate, whose resume, is that he was a Senator.

        Listen to me for just a moment here. I promise I will not bore you.

        The future of this country is on a precipice. I’m not kidding. I’m really not kidding. Please listen to me, just for a moment. It’s not political, if that’s what you’re thinking. If it was just political, we would still have a chance.

        The problems we are facing, going forward, are not anything close to political. They are Social. Do you actually think that George Soros has invested billions, in the destruction of our country’s principles, without expecting some return on that investment?

        The silly stories the mainstream media puts in front of your face each day, is not a true representation of what we are facing. I am simple amazed at the stories they put up each day, while ignoring the real stories out there that tell you where this nation is headed.

        But It’s not even just Social. That would be easy. The real cliff, is Financial. To put it simply, this country is bankrupt. China owns the United States of America. A rash statement? Not really. China owns the United States, because China owns our debt.

        We are what you call a “Debtor Nation.” That means we owe more debt to other nations, than we would ever have any hope of repaying. Mostly, to China. What if they called that debt? What if they declared the Yuan, the main currency of the world? After all, since Nixon took us off the Gold Standard, our money is just paper.

        The Fed prints it in their basement. Have you ever really asked yourself the question? What are the dollars in my wallet really worth? And why are they really still worth what I believe them to be worth? Since they are no longer backed in Gold, why are they worth anything at all?

        The Chinese are asking themselves the same question, as I write this.

        • Woah, woah, woah. Hold the phone. You mean, that if Senator Ted Cruz runs for presidential candidate in the Republican primaries in 2015, you won’t vote for him? I can understand your argument for State governors, and I agree with you, but no Ted Cruz?

          • Garnet92 says:

            All things being equal, I’d also prefer a Governor, for the economic and executive experience that is part of the job, but for example, comparing Ted Cruz to Chris Christie – I’ll take that Senator any day. And as much as I like Cruz, I do like Scott Walker as well. In my opinion, Walker might be the better from a managerial point of view, but I’ve done a lot of research on Ted Cruz and the man is brilliant.

            See my piece on Ted Cruz here: http://hardnoxandfriends.com/2013/09/15/who-is-ted-cruz-really/

            • Thank you for your article on Ted Cruz. Ted Cruz is definitely up there in my list of heroes, along with Ronald Reagan and Milton Friedman.

              But to be honest, I don’t know much about Scott Walker. Are you sure he isn’t another RINO prancing around pretending to be a conservative?

              • upaces88 says:

                Ted Cruz’s Wife is a Goldman Sachs VP

                He recently gave up his Canadian Citizenship.

                • Garnet92 says:

                  Only partially true, upaces. Though Cruz has said that he would give up his Canadian citizenship, he hasn’t yet sent in the paperwork, so he still has dual citizenship. No biggie, he says he’s going to do it – just hasn’t done it yet.

                  • Blessed B. says:

                    Hope he does that soon as we both know how slow the wheels turn in Government sometimes!

                    • garnet92 says:

                      I just checked and it doesn’t appear that he’s pulled the trigger on his renouncement yet – says his legal people are working on it. I agree, I’d like to see that issue put to bed by actually filing the document.

              • I guess I’ll save the Scott Walker question for later.

  14. CW says:

    Very interesting and well-written report, Garnet! I’d like to know what the potential sanctions were in the original lawsuit that would have made the RNC think this type of decree was preferable. Sheesh.

    As Mrs. AL alluded to it seems to me the answer would be for independent organizations to take up the mantel of challenging voter fraud, and for the RNC to grow a backbone and push the issue by demonstrating that their efforts don’t target “qualified voters.” If the DNC sues them it opens the door for the RNC to plead their case that their hands have been unfairly tied. Who knows? Maybe a miracle will provide the RNC with a judge who actually cares about election fraud.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Thanks CW, unless Nox has something on that, I never saw any description of the sanctions the court might have imposed, we’re just guessing that whatever the RNC thought they might be was worse than signing the Decree. In hindsight, we might have been better with court-imposed sanctions.

      Mrs. AL is right to suggest that another organization take up the fight – the problem is that they will have to be TRULY independent of the RNC and any of it’s sub-groups. It is possible and I hope that someone will pursue the challenge of bogus voting.

      And actually, the RNC has been complaining that their hands have been “unfairly tied” in each of their appeals, but the court (i.e. Judge Debevoise) seems to be like the Energizer Bunny – he just keeps on going … and going … and going.

  15. Gar Swaffar says:

    The Repuklican Girly-Men have been lost souls for decades. True Conservatism is now a slur used by those same freaks against the Tea party.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Right you are Gar. Now they’re at their peak of being urban, metrosexual, cocktail party, GQ cover types and they like it. We’re going to play hell getting them loose from their cushy jobs scratching each other’s backs while screwing the taxpayers. They can call us whatever they want, WE know who the true patriots are – and it’s NOT them. Thanks for checking in, Gar!

  16. white531 says:

    The decree that this thread was originally based upon, has grown into something much larger. I just love it, when an original comment, or premise, morphs into something much larger, than the original comment. I have seen comments like this achieve a hundred comments, or more.

    What does the Republican Party actually represent to Conservatives at this point in time? It’s an honest question. As a Conservative, do you feel you are close to the Republican Party, or do you feel you are not that close, and you have issues with some of the things they are putting out there?

    Tell me what you think.

    • Hardnox says:

      The Republican Party has abandoned its own platform. Barring a few, they might as well be Democrats.

    • Garnet92 says:

      If I may, white531, I’ll use an analogy to answer your question about the Republican Party – and I’m answering strictly for myself.

      I see a hill climbing event with the R’s as a tricked-out 4 wheel drive hill climbing machine with mega horsepower, beefy suspension, etc. On the other hand, we conservatives are represented by a completely stock Jeep. We can’t compete with them in terms of power, but we have the drive and dedication (and guts) to get up the hill.

      The problem with the Republicans is that they’ve got the equipment, but they’re afraid of the hill, they won’t even try to attack it, and instead they drive the beefy truck around in circles and congratulate themselves on doing doughnuts. We NEED their vehicle. We have the ideas and techniques to attack the hill – we just need the vehicle.

      That’s what I want – I want us to take over the Republican Party vehicle and with real conservatives driving it, get us to the top.

  17. white531 says:

    Here is a fact, that is indisputable at this point. Since this Kenyan took office, we don’t really have a government anymore. We simply don’t. If you believe otherwise, then you are part of the problem. Where it will go, is anyone’s guess.

    If you put it to me, and asked for a hard answer, I would say we are headed for Communism. Because everything I have read in my ongoing study of History, points to that, as the only realistic end, to what this madman has exhibited so far.

    i hope I’m wrong. I hope a year or two from now, you will all be laughing at me, for being such an idiot. While I would take it in stride, and even laugh with you, I don’t think that’s something any of us, is likely to enjoy.

    • Hardnox says:

      White, you are the newbie here but you are quite right. We’ve been talking about communism since we started. What’s next? Don’t know. What I do know is that a great many Americans will not live on a bent knee. We have a Constitution and 27 Amendments. We simply expect and demand that our government abide by it. It’s a simple request and we are getting tired of asking.

  18. white531 says:

    I know most of the nation is asleep by now, but I’m in Tucson. It’s only 9:30.

    This has been a good thread. A lot of information. One of the things I find about most Conservative sites, is that they tend to devote themselves more to quantity, than quality. Several comments get posted, and then everyone jumps to the next thread. Some threads don’t last more than two or three hours.

    We run a business. Only time I have here, is after we come home in the evening.

    I guess what I am trying to say is, I don’t like living with soundbites. I prefer real conversation.

    Why is it really important to comment on everything out there? Why not just take a few things, and explore them in depth? I guess what I’m really saying is, why not finish the conversation you started?

    • Garnet92 says:

      Perceptive of you to ask that question, white. There have been a number of issues or activities that we’ve continued on for some time. As it happens, we have already planned to continue this one through to the mid-terms (and perhaps after). We’ll have perspectives on this same subject by different writers, expecting that each will bring something fresh to the conversation. There is a lot more going on behind the scenes on this issue and we hope that we can make a difference by hammering on it until people get tired of hearing it.

      Stick with us, you’re the kind of thinking warrior we need.

  19. upaces88 says:

    I will have to “double star” this and come back tomorrow. SURELY…SURELY, I am misunderstanding this.

  20. white531 says:

    It’s a pleasure to be here. So far, I have enjoyed the experience immensely. I have no doubt it will continue in that vein. 🙂

  21. Clyde says:

    Garnet, a nomination for a Pulitzer for you, man. Excellent.

  22. Garnet92 says:

    Thanks Clyde, but a jelly doughnut will do!

  23. upaces88 says:

    I feel so “out-of-touch.” I feel stupid. I am angry and I don’t know what we can do about this!
    It explains a lot! THIS IS NOT THE WAY IT IS SUPPOSED TO BE!
    I sound like a child! BUT! DITTO on my previous statement!

  24. Ken Wanner says:

    I’LL QUIT VOTING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • How does that solve the problem?

    • That will definitely ensure the liba$$3$ take over, Ken.

      We don’t need quitters. We need strong, moral-fibered courageous men and women of integrity, willing to use all the tools of the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence.

      We Need “Three Per Centers” ~!

      • What are “Three Per Centers” anyway, Fogie?

        • Garnet92 says:

          CONGRATULATIONS Fellow Patriot, you’ve added the 100th comment on this thread. You win an all expense paid trip to … (what’s that Nox) … OK,

          Fellow Patriot, you’ve won a lavish dinner for two … (what now?) … Really?

          Well anyway Fellow Patriot, kudos for being the 100th comment … (what? not even Kudos?) Well crap.

          Thanks for commenting Fellow Patriot!

          • WHAT!? I’ve been commenting all day! Oh well, I guess I’d better get my dirty capitalist reward and head back to my glorious 6 floor Liberation apartment with the Proles. Hope I avoid a Missile while I’m heading there. You do know I don’t expect to keep my dirty, ill conceived reward for long, considering the Outer Party will force me to spread my ill gained wealth among the poor with the Thought Police. Oh well, *babble babble babble*

        • In the Revolutionary War, we had a situation much like we have today, socially and politically speaking. As it turned out, roughly three per cent of the population took an active interest in the “doings of the day”.

          Here is a link to an article, that will explain a little bit of what I’m talking about.
          http://sipseystreetirregulars.blogspot.com/2009/02/what-is-three-percenter.html

          Is it fully factual? I don’t guarantee the veracity. BUT~! Here’s a “point to ponder”. It only takes ONE PERSON with a Big Idea, to change the world and all that’s considered true and factual.
          Copernicus
          Newton
          Sagan
          Benjamin Spock
          Einstein
          Obama
          Netanyahu
          Disraeli
          Margaret Thatcher
          Ronald Reagan

          Every person named has changed the world, because of their ideas, in one way or another.

          Three per cent of the population of the United States is approximately 9 million individuals. What could we do~!~?~!~?

          • Thank you Fogie, for telling me about Three Per Centers. Personally, I don’t care how many people are fighting on our side, I just know that what we are fighting for is right. That’s more than enough reason for me to fight and die for my country.

            • And I have complete agreement with that, Fellow Patriot~! Most of the men, and many of the women commenters here have served in the military, and we still believe in God, Country and Family. And our oath to support the Constitution of the United States is still in force, no matter our age or date of discharge~!

              • Well, I haven’t served in the military, yet. But I would fight knowing that it is far better to live free. No matter how much the Constitution is torn up, shred, and burned in D.C., I’ll still keep mine. And I hold true to those words.

                • Garnet92 says:

                  We’re glad you found us FP – we have “each other’s back.” N&F is a group of patriots who do what we do to help educate the inert class of our nation. We are proud and unashamedly conservative and appreciate people like you who feel the same way. Again, thanks for coming and please stay a part of our discussions.

    • Blessed B. says:

      Ken….

      That just gives the other side a vote as it then your un-vote doesn’t cancel out one of theirs….. and it’s still one of your rights, don’t let them take it away from you cuz you’re frustrated….

      Nope…there’s a better way….Keep on fighting!

      • garnet92 says:

        You are SO right, BB. I can’t understand how or why “staying home” is supposed to make some sort of “statement.” The parties don’t know whether you voted for them or the other party since there’s no “none of the above” option. NOT voting for the Republican (distasteful as that may be) means that your vote WON’T cancel out a vote for the democrat so that yields a one vote plus net result for the democrat. Tell me how that helps us????????

        • Blessed B. says:

          It doesn’t help! I’ve had to explain this to folks here during our elections. The only party they are helping out is the other side by staying home.

          It was drilled into me at a very young age that voting ( even if you can’t seem to really like the candidate!) is a right that must be exercised as it can be taken away at the whim of the ruling party…. so Use it or Lose it!

  25. white531 says:

    So I guess this is an open thread at this point. That about right? Cool. This could get really interesting. I like open threads.

    • Garnet92 says:

      It is up to a point, white531. As long as it’s getting the high activity, it’ll remain as a sticky, per Nox. When the activity wanes, it’ll slide into the archives. BUT, the subject will live on. Others will take up the mantle and we intend to keep the Consent Decree in the public eye for the next year or so.

  26. Garnet92 says:

    Indeed it is white! And hardly a throw-away comment in the bunch. Quite a number of pithy, thoughtful commenters making pithy, thoughtful comments – what more could we ask for?

  27. Garnet92 says:

    I was going to wait until after the 100th comment, but since we’re stuck at 98, I’ll go ahead and slip this one at 99 and leave the honors to one of our guests.

    Who said that there are no coincidences?

    This evening, as I was composing a letter relating to the RNC Consent Decree article, my phone rang.

    The caller ID said, “REPUB NATL COMM.” Normally, I wouldn’t even pick it up since I have no interest in contributing to the RNC, but tonight, in the middle of my RNC-bashing, the thought briefly crossed my mind, supposed when I answer, a voice says, “Good evening Garnet92, nice little house you have there, it’d be a shame for it to burn down … click.”

    But instead, it was a cheerful twenty-something phone-guy reading (rapidly) from a script and hardly pausing until he got to the real meat of the call; “could we count on your support again? What contribution level is comfortable for you? $100, $200, $300?” That’s all he got out when I stopped him and asked whether he’d ever heard of the 1982 Consent Decree, he hadn’t. I enlightened him and explained that my contributions will go directly to candidates and NOT to the RNC. I won’t bore you all with the remainder of the short conservation. It didn’t go well for the RNC phone-guy.

    • Awwww, too bad for the RNC phone guy. He got what he deserved.

    • Hardnox says:

      Garnet, I had a similar event a few months back. The caller ID kept coming up 000-000-0000. Finally after the 10th call or so i answered and it was the RNC wanting “a most generous contribution”. Fat chance, I thought to myself.

      I started with “I know you are doing your job BUT do you know about the 1982 Consent Decree?” No he answered so I continued on and enlightened him. I ended the conversation asking him why he was playing for a neutered team.

      The next morning I got another call from his boss challenging me. I went into a Bob rant. All the while he was stuttering. I asked him if he was at a computer. “Yes”. “Good, Give me your email address”. Then I gave him several links. After a few minutes he replied “Oh, I see what you mean.” I haven’t heard from them since.

    • Blessed B. says:

      LOL! I love it when I can do that to a person who is asking me to buy something or support something with my monies. It never goes well for the phone-guy…. still snickering! 🙂

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  29. bullright says:

    Pretty shitty. If it supposedly sunsets in ’17, then my guess is they will manage to bungle something to continue it.(read intentionally) It’s sort of like having the RNC on probation. Doesn’t everyone want to play with one hand tied behind their back?.

    • I’m definitely sure the military doesn’t like playing with one hand behind their back in Afghanistan. Only they’re worse off, considering they’ve got both hands tied behind their back, their legs chained together and put on a short lease with to fight the Muslims with. But that’s a different story.

    • Garnet92 says:

      Bull, you know as well as I do that it’s almost like waiting for the other shoe to drop. What are the chances that the DNC will find some pretext to sue again? 100% no less.

  30. white531 says:

    It is true what Garnet says. The decree will probably live forever. Why the Republicans ever agreed to such a thing is the first place, is a mystery. But then, no one ever accuses Republicans of being that intelligent, when it comes to politics.

    Look at the mess we are in right now. The Democrats didn’t exactly create this mess. The Republicans had a hand in it. All the Democrats did, was to take advantage of it, and why wouldn’t they?

    • Why the Republicans agreed to such a thing the first place is perfectly understandable. They are being led by closet Communist establishment RINOs who hold lots of power and high positions within the party. Meanwhile, they keep pushing and drowning out the Republicans that refuse to go by the RINOs agenda.

      What the RINOs really want, is that they want to paralyze their own party, which they have already accomplished. This is all just a ploy to make us think that the Republican Party leadership is really this inept, so that when the RINOs’ buddies Democrats win, it’s perfectly legitimate.

      • Garnet92 says:

        I have to disagree with your last statement FP. I think that the leadership of the Republican Party really IS that inept. I don’t think that they intentionally concocted the Consent Decree just to help their buddies (the Dems) win. I think that you’re giving them too much credit for intelligence, and the ability to plan such a devious maneuver.

        They’ve got me fooled ’cause they’ve convinced me that they really aren’t that smart.

        • Well then, let us agree to disagree. To me, I don’t look at the title, I look at the policies. And what the Republicans are doing in terms of enacting policies are very much in line with what the Democrats are doing. Which are socialist policies.

          This would explain more about what I’m talking about, Garnet.

          This is from the John Birch Society, which I am a regular follower of.

        • white531 says:

          This has been stated on various other sites, but I believe it to be true. There simply is no difference at this point, between the Democratic Party and the Republican Party. No matter which one you vote for, you are still going to get the same messed up government that we have grown to expect.

          I used to call myself a Conservative Republican. I have recently dropped the, “Republican,” part of that statement. I am still a Conservative, but I am no longer a a Republican. Like my brother, who long ago left the Republican Party, and became an Independent, I am doing the same. I am leaning toward Libertarian, but not the Ron Paul Libertarian. No, I mean the original Libertarian movement, before it was taken over by the Paul supporters. Limited government, fiscal conservatism. I simply want the Federal government to get out of my life, leave me alone, and stop spending my money, like a drunken sailor. No slight against drunken sailors intended.

      • Hardnox says:

        FP, I disagree. I believe that the R’s believed they were dodging a bullet. No one went to jail. Secondly, they were under the false impression that they would be able to overturn the decree on appeal. Since then they have been sandbagged by lefty judges that simply deny their motion year after year..

        Yes, they are that stupid. Had this been the D’s, they would have simply ignored it and moved on as if the decree did not exist.

        • Then tell me this. Why would they be as so stupid as to do nothing and let the other party take over? Why would they co-operate so closely with their fellow Democrats? McCain, Christie, Bush 43, Romney, Boehner, and more? We could disagree, but until all of this is over (hopefully) and we actually get to see what’s been going on for all these years, I guess we’ll keep disagreeing.

          • upaces88 says:

            ​Subject:​​ ​Newt , ​Palin, Bachman, Romney and the Convention Step-by-Step

            ​​​​ ​​​​​​ ​​The below was written a while back.

            ​​​​ ​​There were several of us who watched this VERY closely from its beginning. Not too many people are aware of “when it REALLY began.” In the beginning, remember, there were several really good people with a great deal of knowledge under their belts! right?

            This IS a step by step as we remember it. It DOES NOT MATTER if you were for OR against Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachman, okay? What we need to be mindful of is what was going on behind the scenes. Remember this one thing throughout anything I say below. Newt Gingrich and Michelle Bachman WERE THE ONLY CANDIDATES running who wanted to expose the Muslims in Our Federal Govt.; expose them; and remove them. Plus they were the ONLY ones who wanted to BAN SHARIA LAW in this country for once and for all.

            Several of us were on Newt Gingrich’s site. We were KICKED OFF….Banned! We finally found out the reason. Seems a Romney bunch decided that “Newt would have wanted this” (huh? Yes!). They had “decided” that it would be a Romney/Santorum ticket (huh?!!!)

            Remember the Florida screw up? Just prior to that, there was another massive fraud that happened. Seems there was a law suit filed by Ron Paul (and no, I am not a Ron Paul fan; however, the man stepped forward to try to stop the fraud). People were threatened and coerced into voting for Romney as the candidate. AFTER the law suit, now all of those votes were once again FREE to be caste freely for those who wanted to vote for someone else!

            Well Romney was declared the candidate ONLY AFTER A NEW LAW (OR RULE) WAS IMPLEMENTED. Now this is VERY important. And, connects to why Obama mentioned running for a “3rd Term”. The NEW RNC Rule is that THEY WILL DECIDE WHO CAN AND WHO CANNOT RUN FOR PRESIDENT. In other words, let’s say YOU want to run for President. Guess what! UNLESS THEY APPROVE OF YOU….no matter how much $$ you have or strong background, YOU CANNOT RUN unless THEY DECIDE.

            Do you understand the implications of this? This is the FIRST STEP in setting up a NWO format. Citizens are no longer allowed to vote…THEY DO IT ALL! Now the door is totally OPEN for ROMNEY TO WIN!

            Romney had been waiting in the wings. AGAIN, we were kicked off….”banned” from sites warning people about Romney. We wanted them to fight back and get a candidate THAT WAS FOR US NOT THE NWO. We uploaded his past…all proof that he would waiver and give in during the most crucial moments. Remember the several times they found fraud where Romney was concerned during the campaign? NOT ONE THING WAS DONE.

            Then along comes the Florida Caucus….remember now…all of the votes have been turned loose for them to vote their conscience vs. BEING TOLD WHO TO VOTE FOR.

            Suddenly, they are all afraid of a “possible” storm front coming in…huh? They want,, for the first time in history, a CALL IN VOTE vs. being there in person! The next day, they were afraid of the OWS (you know, those kids with the high $ cell phones living in mom’s basement interfering.

            The word got out that the law suit had been successful and that now everyone was free to vote their conscience…right? Michelle Bachman, Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin decided they would be there to capture the “soft votes” now released giving Bachman and/or Gingrich another opportunity to come back.

            At that specific time of voting, Cars were blocked of those people who WANTED to vote for anyone other than Romney.

            Well, you know the rest….Obama, again, in by massive fraud; and Romney ran off and hid.

            At this point, Our Country Has been Hijacked by Barrack Hussein Obama.
            Now he wants a “3rd Term.”

          • upaces88 says:

            EXCERPT:
            “Romney said that he wished that he could “turn back the clock” and attempt to run the 2012 campaign all over again, but that was outside his control.”

            http://wchildblog.com/2014/01/08/romney-rips-into-obamacare-russias-combative-role-in-the-world/

            • Thank you upaces, for the information. I actually didn’t know about the Florida fiasco at all in the first place. But it further reinforces my theory that it really didn’t matter of who won the 2012 election, everything now would have still happened, only implemented in different ways by different leaders working towards the same goal of socialism.

              • upaces88 says:

                Some of us became very upset because there were REALLY screwy things going on when the tune was near to do our best to get Obama out of office. I didn’t sleep much. I was watching everything and reading everything that came into my inbox ON ALL OF THEM.

                Yes, we wanted OUR Candidates to be Gingrich and Bachman BECAUSE THEY WANTED THE MUSLIMS OUT OF D.C. They were THE ONLY ONES!!!
                If Donald Duck had been running standing up for us vs. having Muslims in D. C., hell I wouldn’t voted for him!

                There is NO rush…When you have a minute: Google: Romney+Soros.

  31. white531 says:

    This thread may have morphed into something different than the original comment, but I still think it true, in the sense that many perceive there is somehow a difference between the two parties. I don’t believe there is, at this point.

    I think if this conversation has a future, it would be along those lines. As I have already stated, I don’t believe there is a difference.

    • upaces88 says:

      Nope, they are no longer different at all.
      The lines are no longer there…the principal political beliefs are very dark now…on both sides.

  32. garnet92 says:

    I bristle every time that I hear that there’s “not a dime’s worth of difference between the parties.” It’s apparent that you guys are aware and engaged, so how can pretty obvious differences related to major issues be dismissed? I point to gun control, racial issues, LGBT issues, education, union activities, wealth redistribution, the military, energy, etc. Really? There are no differences?

    And, to say that nothing would be different if Romney had won instead of Obama? Do you really think that? Understand that when I say that I believe that things would be vastly different, it’s not because I was a Romney supporter. He was a lesser of two evils choice, but I wouldn’t be nearly as concerned about the coming three years with him at the helm as I am with Obama.

    I will concede that the leaders of both parties exhibit many of the same dishonest and immoral traits, and I wouldn’t trust the leaders of the Republican Party either – but for different reasons. But to say that there is no difference between the parties is, in my opinion, being disingenuous.

    • I would still disagree with you, Garnet. Now, I would cede the point that there is, indeed difference between the two parties. BUT, and this is a major but, the Republican Party has only transformed to a centrist extremely very slightly to the right party. I will not recognize the Republican Party at being a right wing party at all. But like I said, they would only implemented things in different ways by different leaders working towards the same goal of socialism.

      And you saying that things would be “vastly different” with Romney at the helm? Now I admit, I would be less concerned about our future with Romney, but I would still be very prepared and determined to remove him out of office just as much I want Obama out of office. But let’s take a look at Romney’s rap sheet, shall we?
      All of these are perfectly searchable.
      Said he’d vote for Indefinite Detention of American Citizens without Trial
      Implemented First State Socialist Healthcare Law
      Implemented First State Global Warming Law
      Added Tax-Paid Abortions to Romneycare
      Pro-Stimulus
      Father endorsed Saul Alinksy
      Supports Progressive Income Tax
      Has called himself Progressive
      Supported gun laws
      Said he wanted to keep good part of Obamacare
      Recommended Obama use Romneycare as model
      Sought advice of John Holdren
      Supported by Al Gore

      Now you tell me if Romney would have been “vastly different” from the dictator we have in office now.

  33. garnet92 says:

    I understand FP and apparently we will just have to agree to disagree. I do agree that the Repub Party is not “right wing,” the only people who label it that way are the liberals. But, in my opinion, it’s a stretch to say that “they would only implemented things in different ways by different leaders working towards the same goal of socialism.” The only point that matters there is the socialism since almost ANY other leader of ANY other party would have implemented (unspecified) things in different ways – did you expect that they would things exactly the same?

    And please FP, you shouldn’t assume that I need to do additional research on those things that you hang around Romney’s neck. I am very familiar with those issues having done research and writing on most of them. I’d give the list maybe a 50% accuracy score though ‘cause what is implied doesn’t accurately portray what the whole story was.

    At any rate, I’d propose that you make a similar list for Barack Obama, place them side by side, and tell me (again) that a vote in 2012 wouldn’t have made a difference.

    As I said, we can have different views and still have an honest, open, discussion. It’s apparent neither of us are going to change long-held beliefs based on a few written words. You should know that I do appreciate your opinions, even when we disagree – thanx for your comments FP.

    • Well, like I said before, it’s nice to have discussions with other smart, intelligent people, even if I do disagree with them sometimes. But if it makes any difference, I did support Romney during the 2012 election. I respected him as a good man, and I do believe that he would have made a better president than the one we have now.

      But I don’t think he would have sweeping reforms to our corrupted to the core federal government, and he would have instead cooperated and compromised with them. He might have made our economy better, maybe even back to Bush 43 levels. I believe he would have definitely improved our world standing, but even if he did want to take a hard line towards Russia and China, the Democrats certainly wouldn’t have let him. What I’m trying to get across here, is that he would have only been a repeat of Bush 43.

      • Kathy says:

        Thanks to the massive voter fraud, which goes uncontested by the R’s, we’ll never know what Romney would have done differently, will we? That’s the saddest part.

  34. white531 says:

    I’m sorry I was absent from your conversation today. I guess I have the floor now, at this late hour, because most of you are asleep.

    I admire both Fellow Patriot and garnet92, for having what I would call a civil conversation, even though they disagree. That simple thing, is the component that is missing in all the myriad of blog sites that overload the internet these days. I stay away from most of them, like the plague.

    All that being said, I do have opinions about this. I will try my best to explain my feelings on this touchy subject.

    The reason I feel there is no real difference between Democrats and Republicans, is because they both seek the power that the office represents, instead of the trust and faith the voters put in them.

    Both parties follow a centrist theme of power, first and foremost. What the voters who elected them think, is secondary, to the power they are seeking in the office. It is one hundred and eighty degrees opposite of what the Founders envisioned. That is why there is little real difference between Obama and Oboehner.

    The Founding Fathers warned us, about politicians becoming entrenched in the power of office. With good reason. Because it is not healthy for the country, nor for the country’s future.

    I think the position we find ourselves in right now, might remind us what our Founding Fathers warned us about. Amazing, the intelligence of dead guys.

    • garnet92 says:

      Damn white, it’s only 20:00 here in Dallas right now. Even though I’m a seasoned citizen, I don’t go to bed THAT early. I concur completely about the political parties going for the power and control – I think that just about all of us will agree with that statement. And, I also agree with your statement about those old, dead guys who had an idea of what measures those wanting power would try and did their best to warn us against – they were pretty smart guys.

      I do hope that one day, we’ll convince enough voters to turn out those who have made a seat in Congress a permanent position. The FF assumed that a legislator would serve a stint in Congress and return to his “day” job when a few years was up – and that’s why I firmly believe in term limits. If they won’t do it voluntarily, we need to force them to go home.

      • white531 says:

        Thank you Garnet, for such a fervent response. I could not agree more. Professional, lifetime politicians were not something the Founding Fathers were enamored of.

    • upaces88 says:

      Beck IS exceptionally smart! Fox was stupid for allowing Obama to get rid of him just because he called Obama a “F…k Face.” LOL

      • white531 says:

        You are correct in your statement, upaces. Glen Beck is the only thing left, between Freedom and Communism. He has become the voice of America. If we are smart, we will listen to what he has to say.

        • upaces88 says:

          Unless he is doing exceptionally well $$….Fox would be smart to bring him back!
          The reason I respected him so much was that (shhhh, I feel silly)…he and his drawing board….made complicated issues and associations… SIMPLE.

          This big light would go off in my head like, “O’ it was there all of the time. Why didn’t I see that!?”

          He is a natural born teacher…I admire tremendously.
          Do you remember when Beck had his HUGE rally in D.C. and the crowd was HUGE?

          LOL…..it cracked me up (and now it makes me sad) BUT! …Obama was so jealous and envious that right after that, he made his “king’s ruling” that no more protests will be allowed on You Tube!.

  35. white531 says:

    I just finished his recent book, “Miracles and Massacres.” I highly recommend it. It will change the way you think, about this nation.

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  37. white531 says:

    I don’t think this thread is quite finished. I would like to keep it alive.

    For starters, what do you think of Glenn Beck? Personally, I think he is the Savior of Conservative thought, as we know it.

    • I think Glenn Beck is a great guy! 🙂 Even though personally I don’t watch him as much as I would like to, he’s really good. Smart and independent conservative thinking. I especially liked his report on George Soros, who I refer to as Sauron.

  38. garnet92 says:

    I like Beck, but unfortunately I no longer get him. I’m on Verizon FIOS and The Blaze is not available in the lineup. I’ve not seen him since he left Fox. He was a master of explaining difficult subjects simply using his white boards and props. I never really had anything but respect and admiration for him and was really pissed at Fox for dumping him. I would much prefer him to Bill O’Reilly.

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  40. bullright says:

    In an article on Monday’s Supreme ignorance, according to election law expert, Rick Hansen, it only specifically applies to RNC not fringe outside groups or state Republican groups, or non-party groups. Maybe another reason they are worried about Tea Party groups.

  41. upaces88 says:

    YEAH! Read what a friend just found for me. The voter fraud w/Obama and the Dems:…BUT HE STILL GOT AWAY WITH IT….I do think it was about threats to anyone against him.
    —————-
    ​In 2010, the RNC unsuccessfully appealed “to vacate or modify” the Consent Decree
    in “Democratic National Committee v Republican National Committee,”
    Case No. 09-4615 (C.A. 3, Mar. 8, 2012). (I paid The Judicial Review $10
    for the PDF of Case No. 09-4615 and uploaded the 59-page document to
    FOTM’s media library. To read Case No. 09-4615, click here!)

    http://beforeitsnews.com/opinion-conservative/2012/11/is-it-true-that-the-gop-cant-fight-voter-fraud-2528846.html

  42. Garnet92 says:

    Please note the following: pages 23-25 of 37pg doc:

    The State parties are not subject to or bound by the Consent Decree. It is well-established, however, that “defendants may not nullify a decree by carrying out prohibited acts through aiders and abettors.”

    In fact, nothing in the Consent Decree, infringes, in any manner, the RNC’s right to associate with its State parties to discuss, plan and implement political strategy, including poll watching, poll monitoring and challenging of individual voters on legitimate grounds, in accordance with procedures established by State law.

    The only thing proscribed is the RNC’s use of its State parties to evade the Decree’s specific prohibition on systematic efforts to disenfranchise or intimidate legitimately registered voters, targeted at minority communities.

    While the court SAYS that the RNC is solely responsible for abiding by the CD, it does leave the interpretation open to the DNC to once again bring charges against the RNC if there is even the appearance of collusion with a state organization and that is probably enough to keep the RNC impotent.

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  46. lfk says:

    This is a very illuminating report; thank you. I only had time to read a few comments, so please forgive me if this has already been addressed, but this makes me believe that the only way out of this debacle is for conservative to form a 3rd party. With voter disaffection so high, I believe the time is ripe to wipe this slate clean.

    • garnet92 says:

      That’s ok lfk, there were comments that addressed the third party issue and I’m responding with a comment I made earlier:

      I know that we’ve probably all gone back and forth on this, but we have only two choices: one, a new party, probably with the Tea Party as a nucleus, or stage a coup on the Republican Party and take it over.

      My personal view (yours may vary) is that while I’d prefer to see the Tea Party, with its base of conservative activists rise to equal or surpass the size and strength of the Republican Party, BUT and that’s a big BUT, realistically that will take YEARS, I’m guessing AT LEAST eight, maybe more like twelve or sixteen before it could compete nationally for POTUS. I don’t think that we have that luxury – if Hillary were to win in 2016, eight years later, we’ll be extinct.

      I don’t see how we can win a presidential election, even taking over the Republican Party, without a Messiah-like conservative candidate who can so inspire the people that the remaining RINOs in the Republican “leadership” see it as in their best interest to join conservatives under the Republican banner.

      Most of the names the “power brokers” are throwing out are NOT that candidate: Chris Christie, Jeb Bush, Bobby Jindal, Paul Ryan, etc.

      Maybe Ted Cruz, Scott Walker? Any other thoughts?

      So, that’s MY problem with a third party – it’ll simply take too long to mature to the point of being viable. My preference is to take over the Republican Party and “throw the bums out.” I believe that to be possible, if not by 2016, at least by 2020 (if the country survives that long).

      BTW, thanks for visiting N&F!

      • Libertarian Soldier says:

        That’s what I thought was happening. It might still be. I was discouraged by the last two Congressional engagements when the left wing-lite, republicrats bent over for the democrats which was demoralizing after the stand made by the Constitutional Conservatives and the unscrupulous shut down by the dems in the senate and in the executive.

        With the exposing of the (un)Affordable Care Act, at the exact point when Boehner and others were able to stand up and say, “See, this is what we were trying to protect you from”, they said things like, “are you kidding me, ‘misleading’ and ‘waste of time’.

        This is snatching defeat from the jaws of victory!

        “Nobody made a greater mistake than he who did nothing because he could do only a little.”
        Edmund Burke

        • Garnet92 says:

          Thanks for contributing Libertarian Soldier and welcome to N&F.

          The Republican’ts didn’t do what you suggest (and I agree) should have been done – indeed it is damn-near a campaign slogan in itself, and that is: “See, this is what we were trying to protect you from.” In my view, we should beat that drum incessantly, partly because it IS the truth, but also because it would help reinforce the thought among voters that “maybe the Republican’t were right about other things too.”

          That doesn’t relieve us from the goal of replacing the RINOS with real conservatives so that when we DO win in 2014, we can start reining back on Odumdum and return governance to Constitutional requirements.

          • Libertarian Soldier says:

            What is unacceptable is “the rope a dope strategy”, if that’s what it is. Everybody told Cruz, Lee, Paul, Rubio and others to be quiet and we’d get them at the debt ceiling. That came and went without much more than a whisper.

            I wish we didn’t have to air the left wing-lite’s dirty laundry so publicly but they’ve been treacherous, traitorous and cowardly. The mounted a campaign against those elected to use Article I, Section 7 and Founder, James Madison, our 4th President’s Federalist 57, an instruction on how to use the purse strings to fight tyrannical legislation and to check a tyrannical, unconstitutional pResdient.

            This was the very instruction given by Madison and these were the very circumstances described. This was the very intent of the enumerated powers in Section 7 and it is clear in Article I, Section 2 and 3, as well as Article II, section 1 that the pResident has overreached and is in violation of each of these enumerated powers and checks. The Supreme Court’s ruling, declaring a tax that did not originate in the House of Representatives makes this ruling a conflict with Article i, therefor, unconstitutional.

            Time show the people! Buy time behind every “news cast” on the democrat ick party cult’s propaganda ministry (media). Educate, Educate, Educate!

        • Mrs AL says:

          And your Burke quote is what I think is so important in all this. It took a loooong time to get into this mess, and it is going to take past my lifetime, anyway, to get things really squared away. I confess I get impatient and that’s why I blog. Blow off steam, as it were.

          • Libertarian Soldier says:

            I’m hearing a lot about how long it’s going to take, mostly from the republicrats in response to the Conservative principle to not be afraid and to insist on liberty, comport ourselves morally, oppose tyranny and dangerous policy and to restore the Constitution and resist evil.

            Reagan did it very much at once. His principles of personal responsibility, of small government, of honesty, integrity and service, of equal opportunity to succeed and to fail on one’s own merit, the exercise of compassion, benevolence, real charity, real good will, real good deeds and acts of human kindness, not the demand, at the tip of a spear for one man to toil for another. Take the simple principles and point out what is better, why liberty over tyranny rules the day, why honesty, transparency, real transparency and accountability eclipse deceitful despotism, why they surpass concealment and arrogant impunity.

            We have a message. The message is liberty and the best of what we bring as a free people with all of our endowments. We need to find the path back to liberty and restore the virtues of our American Revolution from which we’ve been misdirected. We all win!

            • Mrs AL says:

              Soldier, I appreciate your point of view and would like to think it could be done as quickly as you suggest.

              Let me ask a couple of questions (note my screen name = Always Learning):

              While President Reagan touted these principles, why didn’t they stick? We went right back to the big government, etc. And this is well within my life time. Why didn’t those principles stick? Why has government expansion continued? Why did we go backwards in such a short amount of time to wind up where we are today?

              I will suggest one reason, and I look forward to your assessment – the concepts of “liberty, responsibility, etc” are just that, concepts. These ideas are no longer deeply rooted in the American psyche. They have long lost their definition within the context of a government and a country in the United Sates. (Hope that came out right.)

              If you have time, let me know what you think.

              I very much appreciate your comments, Libertarian Soldier. Thanx.

              • Libertarian Soldier says:

                That, as you know is a multifaceted question with multidimensional answers. I can think of breaking it down to at least three publications and not the 25 page variety.

                Let’s skip to the short answer and say that Reagan could only serve two terms and George HW Bush (President 41) could only hold out one term. While I think fondly of 41, I’ll have to say that a man so principled should not have tried to compromise with the ruthless democrats that later bit him because he’d reached across the isle.

                What isn’t understood by today’s democrats is that Reagan did everything from a position of power, never fear or weakness. It’s gone too far and I believe that everybody that is not brainwashed can see the course for the country, under the stewardship of the democrats more clearly at this moment in time than at any point in the past. There can be no compromise at any point that takes the country further into tyranny, further into gross unfairness, gross inequality, in the name of fairness and equality and closer to the anti-Christian, islamocentric collectivism, hate based faith and geopolitical ideology with the unwitting assistance of the marxist, collectivists. Collectivism from the right or the left ends one way, genocide and/or enslavement of one group for the other, in Russia, Germany, Italy, The Middle East, China, North Viet Nam, North Korea, El Salvador, Venezuala, Cuba…

                It starts small, like in Germany or like now, in the US where one man is denied success to see that another is not allowed to fail on his own merit, where one man is made to toil for the benefit of another, in the name of fairness, paying the “fair share” a subjective amount determined at the arbitrary demand of a tyrant, a ruler, a ruling class. They infiltrate the media for the sake of a propaganda ministry. They nationalize healthcare. They make the populace dependent on the ruling class, the government. They secure a permanent ruling class and a permanent underclass while they enslave the middle class.

                End is as spectacular as Rome, Russia, Germany, Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela… A rising against a tyrannical state. It’s happened here before. Did you know that right wing monarchists then called us left wing extremists? At this moment in time, the left calls us “extreme” and “far right”, right wing extremists as if we were monarchists, nazis, fascists or any other authoritarian, totalitarian collectivist, like the hate based, geopolitical ideology and religion of islam, though we are correctly positioned in the dead center, at “liberty”, at personal sovereignty, at Constitutionalism.

                I believe we are uniquely positioned, right now for a return to the Constitution, a return to liberty and a return to fiscal responsibility as long as we have a platform that not only decries the state we are in but has positive, liberty driven policy as a road-map to navigate us back to prosperity so that we don’t hear an administration selling us on how great it is to be out of work so we might use the government to fund our wish not to work so much. Like I said, nobody that isn’t brainwashed is buying that six years into a crippled economy!

                • Mrs AL says:

                  I hope you will forgive me for my belated response, Libertarian Soldier.

                  I thank you for a most thorough treatment of the issue. I too want a restoration that will leave us with the liberty as envisioned when we fought in the revolution.

                  While we may be uniquely positioned, unless matters such as this Consent Decree are resolved and the voting process put back in its proper place, we will go from a “banana republic” to something much worse.

                  BTW, I do like your screen name. Do you have a site of your own?

                  • Libertarian Soldier says:

                    Thank you. No site of my own. Got screwed up trying to get one and got confirmation that I had one but don’t know what came of it so I just let it go. Not sure if I was charged for it.

                    Sure hope some of the TEA Party is able to knock off the incumbents. The democrats are funding and saying nice things about the establishment republicans. That, alone says it all, doesn’t it?

                    • Mrs AL says:

                      Though this is off-topic, please consider perusing the rest of the site and some of the articles and opinion pieces. Perhaps there would be other issues of interest upon which you wish to comment.

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  48. massvocals says:

    I personally hate two party system its come to be corrupted by power and greed and the truth is plain to see , those there should be hung by there necks till dead on all the trees in Washington not a limb should not have a cops or the elected they have all dawn on the persona synthesis the inhibitor by way of oath ?
    remember for every 20,000 there should be 1 rep in congress

    • Garnet92 says:

      Thanks for visiting massvocals. Most of us agree that most bureaucrats in D.C. are fit to be ridden out of town on a rail, and perhaps hang a few. But I was confused by your statement, “the elected they have all dawn on the persona synthesis the inhibitor by way of oath ?” If you can clarify, one of us will be glad to continue the conversation. Again, thanks for visiting N&F!

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  50. Russ Henry says:

    The US Chamber Of Commerce & crony capitalist run the Republican Party! They do not give a damn about your vote, just so they get what they want!
    Follow the campaign contribution funds!
    And I am a capitalist but, an honest capitalist!

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