Turncoat ? You Read And Decide.

Found this nugget at Breitbart.com.  Read for yourself, and draw your conclusions.

I know what MINE is.

Sources: Ryan Compromise Will Keep Obamacare ‘Forever’.

        IF this is true, YOU, sir, have ELIMINATED any chance at higher office.

            by             Matthew Boyle      11 Oct 2013, 12:38 PM PDT

Breitbart News reported that House Republicans have offered a new deal to the White House to end the fiscal stalemate. The GOP plan, authored primarily by House Budget Chair Rep. Paul Ryan according to Hill sources, would meet Obama’s demands in exchange for negotiations on a longer-term budget agreement.

At least two high-ranking Capitol Hill sources have told Breitbart News that Ryan’s plan would also help protect Obamacare as it is currently implemented.

Ryan’s office deny the claims. “What your sources are attempting to attribute to Congressman Ryan is not accurate,” Kevin Seifert, Ryan’s spokesman, said in an email.

But the Capitol Hill conservative sources are adamant Ryan offered at least two things that they say would mitigate some of Obamacare’s hardest-hitting effects on certain communities that are needed for the GOP to take the law down in the end.

The high-ranking conservative source said that this deal will ensure America has “Obamacare forever” and that Ryan’s “pro union votes are really coming to light now.”

At a meeting on Friday morning, the sources said Ryan’s plan was presented to a group of members. Ryan’s plan would grant President Barack Obama a no-strings-attached “clean” debt ceiling increase for six weeks and acquiesce to Obama’s latest demand that Republicans also pass a Continuing Resolution to end the partial government shutdown.

The plan was pitched to a room full of members of the House GOP caucus. Not only would Ryan’s plan amount to a GOP capitulation on the debt ceiling and budget, it would mitigate certain effects of Obamacare to help labor unions and members of the business community.

The grand bargain Ryan is attempting to negotiate would include a repeal of the medical device sales tax, a part of Obamacare even liberal Sen. Al Franken (D-MN) supports removing.

The high-ranking sources also claimed Ryan was trying to negotiate a proposal that would increase from 30 to 39 the number of weekly hours worked to qualify as a full-time worker that would trigger the mandate that employers provide health insurance or pay a $2,000 per employee fine. The sources described this proposal as a hand-out to labor unions. The 30 hour threshold in ObamaCare annoyed people like Teamsters Union President Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. and prompted him recently to speak out against Obamacare.

The source also said Ryan’s “grand bargain” would increase the number of employees a company may have without providing health insurance from 50 up to 100. This would mitigate effects on the larger members of the small business community, who are currently some of the most ardent opponents of Obamacare.

Ultimately, one of the sources says, such proposals end up keeping Obamacare the law of the land “forever” as it would take away from momentum against it.


Ahhh…yes. The GENIUSNESS of the GOP. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

Guess we wait to see WHO got to the formerly conservative Ryan. Man, I smell Cantor, Boehner, Priebus, et al all OVER this.

My belief is the GOP, along with the idiotic D.C/New York liberal media establishment, and the morons of the consultancy class, are also behind it. All to DRIVE any conservatives OUT of the GOP once and for all.

Glad I already left.



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14 Responses to Turncoat ? You Read And Decide.

  1. Hardnox says:

    What a disappointment. The establishment got to him. I remain disgusted.

    To borrow a phrase from the great Ronald Magnus (with editing): “I didn’t leave the republican party, the republican party left me”.

    Glad that I left years ago. They are worthless.

  2. Clyde, I could be in error here. Please correct me if I’m wrong. This ACA / Obamacare legislation was FIRST proposed in the Senate.
    Chief Justice John Roberts declared it as a TAX. ALL tax and fiscal legislation MUST ORIGINATE in the HOUSE of Representatives, and NOT in the SENATE.
    THEREFORE, this p o s is prima facie unconstitutional.
    #2. Who is holding a gun at Rand Paul’s kids heads? A la Chelsea ?
    #3 The Alabama Supreme Court has a case on its docket in reference the eligibility of his imperious lowness. The results of that should be VERY interesting.
    #4 With the obamacare hot line / sign up site not functional, the whole thing may be a moot subject as it is.

    • Clyde says:

      Doesn’t much matter, with Roberts’ erroneous ruling, and the ballessness of republicans, it will stand, Defunding, or getting conservatives in both chambers, as well as the WH to overturn it, it’s here, and we are skeeerewed. I do agree this fiasco, like most do, collapse of it’s own weight, and incompetence in design and delivery.

  3. Mrs AL says:

    Ryan, like most career politicians of either party, do not look at the world from outside his own bubble. He may be conservative on certain issues, but it’s all about keeping the national government functioning.

    • Clyde says:

      You would think guys like Ryan would look at this, and see a golden opportunity to rein this beast in. Sadly, HE has become part and parcel of the problem.

  4. gunnyginalaska says:

    The GOP thinks that they can cave on this and that ObamaKare will fail, which it will, and THEN they can point to it and say, SEE! We told you. It will be too late by then.

  5. Garnet92 says:

    Now is not the time to enter into serious negotiation with Obama. He believes himself to be in a strong position and won’t give anything substantial. If what Ryan is proposing is what’s described, it will remove the pressure – pressure that is currently increasing – on Obama relative to the hours worked, the amount of the fine, and the company size. This proposal would ease some of the problems that Obamacare is facing and will make its acceptance easier – and that’s not something that we should be helping with. We should be shouting these hardships to the heavens as being problems with Obamacare, not acting to mitigate them.

    • Clyde says:

      Obama will be in a strong position as long as the morons of the GOP FEAR him, because of race. No more complicated than that, IMHO.

  6. Buck says:

    In the words of Bugs Bunny, “Now Waitaminnit!”

    I thought the unions were pissed about Obamacare.

    So why does he have to ingratiate to the unions who now don’t want Obamacare by preserving Obamacare??

  7. bullright says:

    Well it sounds like a grand give away rather than grand bargain. So then after that, if they mention ObamaCare, Obama can say we already negotiated that ….its over.