Quote Of The Day — October 6, 2013

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“If we are merely matter intricately assembled, is this really demeaning? If there’s nothing here but atoms, does that make us less or does that make matter more?”

Carl Sagan, The Varieties of Scientific Experience: A Personal View of the Search for God

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~ ~ Grouchy ~~

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20 Responses to Quote Of The Day — October 6, 2013

  1. Terry says:

    Uhhh….I give up.

  2. Mrs AL says:

    ” … intricately assembled …” by whom? That would be my Q for Mr. Sagan. The idea of intricacy suggests the answer to yours truly. Then again, I am not a scientist.

    Great quote, Grouchy. It’s good to get outside the political box now and then!

  3. Kathy says:

    It makes us matter more. 🙂

  4. Buck says:

    Think about that one long enough and you’ll end up in the bathroom behind a Playboy abusing yourself…

  5. BrianR says:

    Unfortunately for Sagan, he didn’t live long enough to learn about Dark Matter, and the fact that it makes up the vast majority of the Universe.

    My answer to the second question: neither. Atoms are merely a building block; a methodology. We have to be composed of something in order to even exist.

    If one believes that life — or even Creation — is merely a matter of chance and physics, we know of nothing to dissuade that viewpoint.

    If one believes in Intelligent Design and/or God, there’s nothing there to prove or disprove that, either, as God would have created the materials necessary to carry out his plan, the same way mankind manufactures steel to build cars.

    So IMO the question itself is an exercise in pointless circular speculation. Some things just are whatever they are, and we’ll never understand their primary nature. Like quarks or muons.

    • Very good points, Brian. And definitely, is is grievous and a loss to science, that he passed in his prime, basically.

      My question for the past several years has been, “What if Dark Matter is unmanifested Consciousness? And what if Dark Energy is nothing more than the Conscious Thought of the Supreme Consciousness?”

      Welcome to the Twilight Zone, indeed~!

      Thank You, Brian, for some good food for thought~!

  6. Buck says:

    Yup. BR, good points. Folks just don’t get it that Evolution and Creationism can coexist. I man Evolution was God’s method of Creation. Simple.

    • Problem is, Buck, that the Creationists seems to forget that “But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. ” 2 Peter 3:8.
      The question then becomes, By What Perspective? Surely, the Earth is older than the 6,000 years of some of the Fundamentalist calculations. And how long is a “day” in the perspective of The Creator? 24 hours? 24 Million Years? AND, what Sun would His Planet rotate around, for His perspective?

      Sometimes, indeed, the wisdom of man is foolishness from God’s viewpoint~!

      And sometimes, it needs folks like you and Brian and the rest of this crew to open up lines of communication, to explore the possibilities. Thank You, Sir!~!

  7. Buck says:

    Exactly. The world was created in 7 days. But the days are on whose timeline?
    God created man from dust. Yep. Took the ‘dust’ from amobae to homo. Some call it Creation while others sneer and call it Evolution…

  8. BrianR says:

    Yeah, guys, great thoughts. Fogie, I PARTICULARLY like the idea of Dark Matter being a manifestation of God’s thoughts, or will, or what have you. That had never occurred to me.

    I’ve always posited the same thing: that Genesis doesn’t conflict with known science. When you read it, it pretty accurately describes the sequence of events. And as I always ask my secular opponents, how long is a God Day? It might be 2 billion Earth years for all we know. And if it is, well…. guess what? That’s how old the known Universe is. What a coinkydink!

    People always tend to think of time in the context of how we here on our own blue orb experience it. But that’s not at all universally accurate. Even in our own observable solar system the length of a day varies. One “day” is the period of time it takes for a planetary object to rotate 360 degrees on its axis. On Earth that’s approximately 24 hours. On Europa, a moon of Jupiter, it’s 85 Earth days.

    Take it a step further. A “year” is the period of time it takes an orbiting body to complete one full circuit of its orbit. Our solar system is orbiting around the galactic center, as is the rest of the galaxy. So… how long is a galactic “year”? I think it’s about 250 million earth years.

    So clearly, the definition of “time” varies based on one’s perspective and position in the cosmos.

    • BrianR says:

      To clarify:

      “how long is a God Day? It might be 2 billion Earth years for all we know. And if it is, well…. guess what? That’s how old the known Universe is.”

      Meaning 7 God Days times 2 billion years each = 14 billion years…. the estimated age of the Universe.