From The “GEE, NO SHIT” File.

Stunning, those folks at the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons figured it out.

From  Amazing, that a mostly left-leaning outfit would admit this.


Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons: Guns Do Not Cause Crime, People Do

Guess we don’t need THESE asshats anymore. If DOCTORS say guns are NOT the problem, why the fuss ?

WE, the JURY, find GUNS NOT GUILTY. Are you as relieved as I am?
by             AWR Hawkins    4 Sep 2013, 1:00 PM PDT

In the fall 2013 edition of the Journal of American Physicians and Surgeons (JPandS), Jane M. Orient, M.D., takes apart the long standing gun control advocate arguments of many medical groups to show that guns do not cause crime, people do.

Orient looks at “advocacy campaigns” for “treating gun violence” that have been sponsored by the American Medical Association (AMA) and the American College of Physicians (ACP) and says these groups have fashioned gun violence as a “health problem” rather than a “crime problem.” In so doing, they have avoided the real causes of violence and to pursue federal funding for research from an advocacy perspective.

According to Orient, in many cases these and other medical groups have missed the real causes behind crime because their advocacy often comes with “a political agenda” attached.

Orient shows how this “public health approach” included supporting more gun control laws following the heinous crime at Sandy Hook Elementary, although “the latest and purportedly best study provides no support to the call for more restrictive gun laws as a means to prevent homicide.”

She also examines how various medical groups frame gun violence in terms of a safety issue. She focuses especially on the way such groups and their allies suggest the government is more worried about motor-vehicle safety than gun safety.

But Orient shows that such claims betray a misunderstanding of causal factors behind crime:

A major fallacy in the analogy between motor-vehicle crashes and shootings is that crashes are almost always accidental, and shootings are almost always intentional. Thus, in the former, the safety characteristics of cars and roads are highly pertinent, whereas in the latter the issue is why a shooter decides to pull the trigger.

Orient argues that the design of the car–including things like center of gravity in SUVs–are very important because the cause of a crash is often external to the driver. But when it comes to crime, it is the person rather than the gun who is to blame. In other words, the cause is internal. Thus, medical advocacy groups take the wrong approach when they place emphasis on “the guns themselves” instead of on “factors related to violent behavior, apart from mental illness.”

She bolsters this point by showing there is no real reduction in violent crime in certain countries where there has long been higher levels of gun control than in the U.S.

For example, Canada has had “strictly regulated handguns for more than a century” and required the registration of all handguns “since 1934.” Yet, although the northern-most U.S. states adjoining Canada “have a three to ten-fold higher prevalence of handgun ownership… no consistent differences were observed in violent homicide rates.”

In other words, in the absence of guns Canadians prone to violence were able to find other lethal means to use.

A 2007 study in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy made this same point based on suicide numbers in England following gun bans there. According to the study, while gun control advocates were celebrating a drop in the number of firearms used in suicides, they overlooked the fact that suicides among “English youth” actually rose as a growing number of people simply found other ways to kill themselves.

The gun is not the culprit. Rather, the person intent on assaulting or killing another person is the culprit.

Guns do not cause crime, people do.


WOW. What a breath of fresh air from the medical community, of which, I’m sure the good Dr. Orient will now be on the Obamacare blacklist, kicked out of the AMA, NEVER invited to the White Mosque, or on CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, etc etc ad nauseum.

This, to me, is a very COURAGEOUS stand for Dr. Orient to take, given the medical community is very much left-leaning, and gun-grabbing. I take her report for the TRUTH.

Dr. Orient, I would like to thank you for putting this out there. You can BET this will NEVER see the light of day in the Pravda outlets mentioned above. Doesn’t fit the narrative. And, Dr. Orient, watch your mail. I’m SURE the IRS will be sending your AUDIT NOTICE, real soon.



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12 Responses to From The “GEE, NO SHIT” File.

  1. Kathy says:

    Good stuff, Clyde, and you said exactly what I was thinking – she’ll be out of a job and in all kinds of hot water in the near future for speaking the truth.

    By calling it a health problem, they can hand out more of our money in the form of grants to study this stupidity, instead of facing the fact that crime is rampant and people should be armed and prepared. Doesn’t fit their agenda.

  2. randy63ism says:

    Good one Clyde. Another nail in the coffin of gun control. Stone cold logic should always trump blithering, emoting by all those squeamish, pathetic, yellow do gooders and their self-appointed mission to narcissistically save us all from ourselves, (Mayor Bloomberg, are you listening, you worthless moron?) when they need to save themselves from themselves (hint, they’re not worth saving).

    Effin’ grass eaters all!


  3. myfoxmystere says:

    This is proof that someone in the AMA can see the emperor has no clothes!

  4. Buck says:

    “..a very courageous stand..”
    Isn’t it odd we feel someone is courageous for standing and speaking the truth in this nation?

    • Clyde says:

      In the face of the mostly leftist AMA, I do believe this doctor is courageous indeed for telling the truth. Since we can’t TRUTH from government, or media, it is nice to hear it from SOMEWHERE other than US. Thanks, Buck for dropping in.

  5. Ditto the above.
    MAYBE, there are some “moles” in the lefty cabinet with brains, after all~!
    Dr. Jane Orient, BRAVO~!

    • Clyde says:

      “MAYBE, there are some “moles” in the lefty cabinet with brains, after all~!”. THAT would be a welcome sight, GF. Could damn sure use a LOT more of them. Thanks for swinging by.

  6. Garnet92 says:

    NEWS FLASH! The good doctor uncovered a thread of logical thinking when she stated that “the issue is why a shooter decides to pull the trigger,” She actually realized that the pesky guns don’t shoot themselves – they REQUIRE that someone actually pull a trigger – WHOA – a news flash to our liberal gun control friends who have been laboring under the impression that guns kill people without human participation. But you all know, as well as I, that this won’t stop (or even slow) the left’s attacks on our guns – it’s in their DNA. They want to get all guns “off the street.” Well, I’ve just driven all over my town running errands, and there wasn’t a single gun on the street, I didn’t run over any, didn’t have to swerve, saw nary a one. I guess we, here in North Texas, have succeeded, there are no more guns “on the street.”

    • Clyde says:

      Comment of The Thread, Garnet. Take a bow. Guns, SUV’s power plants, whatever, the stupid liberals ALWAYS blame the inanimate object. Good one, and thanks, brother.